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Carlin Isles burns England in semi final as USA fly to London 7s Cup Final victory

I'll take a polite ripple of applause over that rambunctious nonsense any day, thank you.

1 Month, 1 Week ago

Manu Tuilagi admits to assaulting police officers, won't be part of Rugby World Cup

Devil's Advocate time

Does anyone actually know what caused the fracas?

Now, admittedly you can't excuse shoving the police officers (although as someone else mentioned, a small "leave me alone" shrug from a beast like Tuilagi could look a lot worse than it was), but I wonder what made him get angry with the taxi driver in the first place.

What I'm getting at is that I bet people like Tuilagi have to put up with all kinds of grief from random strangers and I wouldn't be surprised to discover there was provocation from the taxi driver. This is of course idle speculation and in any case you have to keep your cool, but provocation usually does count as a mitigating factor.

"Assault on a police constable in execution of his duty" has a maximum sentence of 26 weeks custody (sentencingcouncil.org.uk), so Tuilagi's was clearly considered to be at the bottom end of the scale, especially considering that he was convicted of three such charges.

Criminal damage and assault both attract a "band B" fine, ie a week's salary. Don't know how much Tuilagi is paid, but I would suggest that £6k in total, for (multiple) fines, compensation and costs, is quite a small amount, considering the range available.

Unfortunately I doubt anyone can shed any more light on this, unless they're mates with Manu Tuilagi or the taxi driver. The magistrate courts don't keep transcripts; you can only get hold of clerks' notes if you're planning your own related legal action apparently and even then you're unlikely to be able to read them because of the shit handwriting.

My contention is that there must have been some provocation involved. Tuilagi may not be the sharpest tool in the box, but he would have been aware of his responsibilities and Lancaster's expectations. I think it would have taken a lot of antagonism to make him act the way he did. I also think he was a bit unlucky that the two police officers happened to be standing by.


1 Month, 2 Weeks ago

Manu Tuilagi admits to assaulting police officers, won't be part of Rugby World Cup

Well I haven't seen him play in ages because he seems to have been injured for most of that 2.5 year period. (As such, I feel the world cup may be too soon for him anyway).

I always felt his distribution was under-rated actually. Whether he's improved or deteriorated in that respect, who knows.

Anyway, moot point and I really think the other options England have in the backs are as exciting if not more so.

1 Month, 2 Weeks ago

Manu Tuilagi admits to assaulting police officers, won't be part of Rugby World Cup

Completely agree with you. I'm still hoping to see Ford-Eastmond-Joseph as the starting combo. Now they can focus on gelling the appropriate style of play.

However, I wouldn't be able to look at myself in the mirror and say "yes stroudos, you really are a contrarian prick" if I didn't quickly suggest that I don't think England would have beaten New Zealand at all, let alone by such a margin, in 2012 without Tuilagi playing that day.

1 Month, 2 Weeks ago

The Top 5 Aviva Premiership Tries plus Highlights Wrap - Round 21

0:57 - haven't heard of this bloke before - hooker Jamie George. That is a lovely run and soft offload. Will be keeping an eye out for him in future.

Worried about Danny Care - immaterial as a try was scored, but have a look around 2:20. He has acres of space on his left and a support runner on his shoulder; chooses instead to seek contact with two players. Either this is just a very poor tactical decision or he was trying to make some kind of point against George Ford, which would both be unhealthy from an England half-backs combo point of view and expose a temperament that could backfire in important games.

1 Month, 2 Weeks ago

Manu Tuilagi admits to assaulting police officers, won't be part of Rugby World Cup

*groan*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFcqGGMPc3k


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1 Month, 2 Weeks ago

Carlin Isles burns England in semi final as USA fly to London 7s Cup Final victory

Git. He could at least *pretend* to be out of breath for a moment.

1 Month, 2 Weeks ago

Manu Tuilagi admits to assaulting police officers, won't be part of Rugby World Cup

Agree with (almost) all of that Dan - good point well made.

The only exception - I wasn't even arguing a point. Just highlighting the comical use of language, (content, not grammar or syntax), in DrG's post. Reminded me of those sensationalist tabloid headings - you know the sort, "did this immigrant touch your child and steal your job?". Subtitle: "no, but he might!!".

1 Month, 2 Weeks ago

Manu Tuilagi admits to assaulting police officers, won't be part of Rugby World Cup

Yeah, I'd already decided this was going to my last troll-baiting attempt on Big Bad Phill. Definitely going to call it a day now, what with Phill's annoying absence from the thread, DrG's inferior version above and the misunderstanding caused for non-regulars.

I wonder in fact if the "guest" comments were actually posted by Big Bad Phill - if they were, I doff my cap to you sir, for anti-counter-troll-trollbaiting.

1 Month, 2 Weeks ago

Manu Tuilagi admits to assaulting police officers, won't be part of Rugby World Cup

I didn't say he shouldn't be banned.

Just the way it suddenly escalated to sexual assault and kiddie-fiddling that made me laugh!

BTW I already did the NH softies shtick... ;)

1 Month, 2 Weeks ago