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Fascinating 2017 Six Nations comes to a close - Final Weekend Highlights Wrap

Indeed. Even Barnesy was making some effort with his "blessé ou pas blessé" interrogation of the Dodgy Doctor...

But it's the nuance that gets missed. I think this is highlighted by how certain international coaches have selected captains partly on how well they interact with the officials - eg Robshaw, Warburton, I hesitate to include Offside Rich in this list because he was captain because he was awesome, but even in his case the way he was able to keep the ref on side was often as important as his rugby playing.

Many non-native English-speaking players are able to communicate using the esssential rugby keywords, but they're often very direct in the language they use. Consequently it is much harder to establish and develop a rapport.

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Fascinating 2017 Six Nations comes to a close - Final Weekend Highlights Wrap

DrG - You're at it again with your use of quotation marks when you're not actually quoting things:
'a penalty try is awarded when a try WOULD have been scored had the offence not been committed'

In fact, the penalty try crops up in a number of laws, but the wording is usually along these lines - and this IS a quote, from Law 10.2 on Unfair Play (a) Intentional Offending:
"A penalty try must be awarded if the offence prevents a try that would probably otherwise have been scored."

The reason I'm being a boring pedant about this is that the operative word here - probably - is used in all instances.

This means that, using this match as an example, and as I think you also imply, Barnesy could well have awarded a penalty try, because had it not been for the persistent intentional offending, a try probably would have been scored.

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Nice one. Will keep an eye out for them, (Dupont and N'Tamack).
Your track record for identifying young talent is very impressive so far.

1 Week, 1 Day ago

Fascinating 2017 Six Nations comes to a close - Final Weekend Highlights Wrap

I do indeed remember that - an absolute beauty. :)

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Fascinating 2017 Six Nations comes to a close - Final Weekend Highlights Wrap

Oliver: "I was offended a few months back with that joke about the French playing dirty"

Oh well, if you insist!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWziKeNYpQU

Been a while since some idiot tried to provocatively bait the French on here by posting a good old-fashioned French bagarre générale...

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Fascinating 2017 Six Nations comes to a close - Final Weekend Highlights Wrap

Team GB at the Olympics, (which presumably means Northern Ireland joins up with the Republic, but I don't honestly know if that's the case).

Any excuse to complicate things.

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Perhaps I can help here.
In England it's quite common to refer to Americans as Yanks, (or Septic Tanks, Jodrell Banks and other rhyming slang versions). It doesn't really work, given that half the country fought a civil war AGAINST the Yankees. Now,I couldn't give a shit what a group of people who fought a devastating war to protect their rights to own slaves think/thought, but that's not relevant. The point is the British usage of "yank" does not meet the official definition.

I think it's very decent of our French interlocutors to write their comments on here in English. If they want to use their own jargon for how they refer to different groups of people, that's fine by me.

Well that's the semantic issue dealt with. I hope!

As to the more significant point about whether the home nations refs are biased against the French: on the one hand I really don't think the accusation of bias holds water; on the other hand I do think many French players suffer from having to conduct all their conversations in a foreign language.

The solution? Well, there's Alain Rolland, but as Brian Moore once pointed out, "just because he can make the wrong decision in two languages doesn't make it any less wrong".

Maybe the answer is to find a genuinely neutral, bilingual country and recruit refs from there...

Canadian refs for France games??

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I have seen Serin youtube highlights - sought them out a couple of months ago after one of you guys (either you or Colombes if I remember rightly) brought him to my attention. Looks like he offers the complete package to me, but to have the cojones to throw a pass like that in an international test match, at his age and inexperience, is awesome - never mind actually being able to execute it. (OK, maybe 25cm further ahead of Fickou and he could have hit that gap at full speed).

Agree on Fickou. Hadn't really seen much of Lamerat before this competition, but have been pretty impressed. Will be interesting to see how Fofana fits back in.

Pretty sure I got "Trou-Duc" from you - maybe it was M Colombes then. :)

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Fascinating 2017 Six Nations comes to a close - Final Weekend Highlights Wrap

Part Deux:
Added time
Nos ami français further up the page ask why Barnesy didn’t award a penalty try and send off more players after so many infringements. I tend to agree, but I’d like to say a few things in his defence:
1. He’s not bloody biased against the French!! Give it up, for Christ’s sake. And as an Englishman, even one who was devastated a few years ago to discover some Welsh ancestry, I have no idea why you lot keep insisting that an English ref would favour the Welsh…
2. a) He did show a yellow to Samson Lee, for a deliberate knock-on/slapdown, but I think this was a bit of a collective yellow, after persistent team offences.
b) Barnes on the microphone during the final play: if the match continues after this play, Dan Biggar will go to the bin.
3. Picamoles tap-n-go - the tacklers, Tipuric and was it Moriarty?, were both behind the line when Picamoles tapped the ball. By the time they’d effected the tackle, all other Welsh players in the vicinity had also retreated behind the line before getting involved.

Biting allegation
A few things to say here:
1. I don’t like North going directly to the ref, it should be the captain.
2. There did appear to be a clear bite mark on his upper arm.
3. This idea that he bit himself is hilarious! Almost physically impossible to bite yourself on that part of the arm, and how would he expect to get away with it, once the video footage came out?
4. Speaking of which, where is the video of this incident? Understand it not being easy for the TMO to find during the match, but seems odd that nothing’s come out since…

French discipline
To finish on a positive note, I thought this was phenomenal. To maintain composure like that for such a prolonged assault on the line was quite remarkable. Bravo les gars.

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Sorry everyone, too much to say on this, going to have to spread over two posts. But at least I’ve tried to make it concise:

Wayne Barnes
Overall I thought he did very well to manage the game in very trying circumstances. One thing I would take issue with, and he's not alone here, is the increasing familiarity with players. Sure, address each captain by his first name, but everyone else should be red 7, blue 9, etc. When you attach a name, you open yourself up to unconscious bias. More importantly, don't let them bloody talk to you. This is one of the best conventions in rugby and allowing all this chat is an even more slippery slope than diving.

Vakatawa
Not even a penalty for me. And yes, I am serious. I challenge anyone to watch that at real speed and conclude that it was a deliberate knock-on. Referees must insist on being shown the replay at normal speed. I would have been far more satisfied to see a penalty awarded against Biggar/North here for their footballery remonstrating at the officials.

France half-backs
I don’t think Lopez has had enough praise. He’s really grown as the tourny has progressed. That deft chip for the Lamerat try was sublime. Things seemed to go really tits up when Trou-Duc came on. As for Serin, Mon Dieu!. That pass (pause at 2:16) was beautiful and I think Fickou should have been able to make more of the gap Serin created.

Atonio
Well there was definitely something wrong with him! Not sure it was his head, but he certainly didn’t look like he knew where he was - or does he always look like that? That doctor looked like a right blagger though! His demeanour made it look like there was something shady going on, even if there wasn’t.

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