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Leone Nakarawa's football pass during the PRO12 final

Sensational play to set up both tries. The football pass is the icing on the cake.

I'm off to check the odds on Fiji to beat Wales...

2 Weeks, 2 Days ago

Andre Esterhuizen and Robert du Preez both suspended for tip tackles

Browner, agree with you that other than willy-waving and bragging, lifting tackles are usually not actually that effective... Also that the players should know what's coming by now once they lift a player.

However, what warrants a red card is not as clear as you imply - well actually it is fairly clear but not in the way you've described. Here is clarification:

The sanction for "player’s head and/or upper body [coming] into contact with the ground first" is a penalty kick, not a red (or yellow) card - http://playerwelfare.worldrugby.org/?documentid=63

The directive (as quoted above) that advised on whether to show a card or not and which colour, makes no reference at all to landing on the head or neck. Red cards are only advised for "optional extras", ie spearing, forcing or dropping the player to the ground.

2 Weeks, 2 Days ago

New Zealand notch up record score to punish France in U20 semi final

Hmm. Pretty ominous. The wing Li, no8 and outside centre look particularly dangerous. Good luck to England!

2 Weeks, 2 Days ago

Andre Esterhuizen and Robert du Preez both suspended for tip tackles

For reference, here's the IRB (World Rugby) directive:
A directive was issued to all Unions and Match Officials in 2009 emphasizing the IRB’s zero-tolerance stance towards dangerous tackles and reiterating the following instructions for referees:

- The player is lifted and then forced or ‘speared’ into the ground (red card offence)

- The lifted player is dropped to the ground from a height with no regard to the player’s safety (red card offence)

- For all other types of dangerous lifting tackles a yellow card or penalty may be considered sufficient


So, the tackles...

1. Esterhuizen
I usually find the "tip tackle" over-policed, but I'm going to put my cock on the block here and say that meets the criteria of the first bullet point above, ie he forces the player into the ground. So technically that should have been a red card, therefore a ban seems appropriate. (Just don't tell PhillNZ I said that).

I won't comment on length of ban because they confuse the shit out of me. But I will say the scrum-half had bugger all effect on the tackle. Also the commentator says Esterhuizen has some previous for these tackles?

2. Du Preez
First point to make here is that is a shit pass to Mvovo by his team-mate....
The tackle looked quite spectacular in real-time, but judging from the replays I really don't think it looked too bad. Mvovo's left foot barely left the ground until the tackle was partially completed. So it only just fits into the "other types of dangerous lifting tackles" category. ie yellow or penalty may be considered sufficient. Jackson showed him yellow, so for my money it's been dealt with on the pitch and I find the ban - especially the extra weeks thrown in - toe be unnecessary and excessive.

2 Weeks, 3 Days ago

The Wraparound from Rugby HQ - Week 18

Does anyone else find that girl spitting blood out of her nose (0:35) strangely alluring??

Call me parochial, but that diving outside the touchline and still scoring a try was pioneered by Jonny Wilkinson CBE - back when the corner flag was still deemed to be in-touch.


2 Weeks, 3 Days ago

Sonny Bill Williams issued warning for huge hit on Conrad Smith

I did. (http://www.rugbydump.com/2015/06/4375/the-shortball-highlights-wrap-from-round-18-of-super-rugby)

Thought SBW rolled with it pretty well. Admittedly he dropped the ball but the way Lee-lo lined him up and clattered into him, you felt as if Williams was going to get smashed. In fact Lee-lo kind of ran into an immovable object.

2 Weeks, 3 Days ago

The Shortball highlights wrap from Round 18 of Super Rugby

Absolutely. And last time they played, England won by 40+ points. But this guy is a a real game-changer.

Agree with your analysis too. Past world cups suggest that it usually does favour a team to work hard in the pool stage, eg England in 2007. And the converse is also true with New Zealand arriving in the knockout stage completely undercooked.

2 Weeks, 4 Days ago

The Shortball highlights wrap from Round 18 of Super Rugby

Some people have suggested that Nadolo will be significantly less effective behind a Fijian pack of forwards - as an England supporter I can only hope that is the case. But I don't see it. The man is incredible. If they can get the ball to him he scores. How many blokes did he beat in the featured try here? Three? Four? From the 22 with a tiny amount of space to move in. As if the power, size and finishing ability aren't enough, I can't think of any other player with more sublime teckers. He's like the bastard offspring of Jonah Lomu and Lionel Messi. Yes, I am worried.

2 Weeks, 4 Days ago

Sonny Bill Williams issued warning for huge hit on Conrad Smith

I posted the right link - about 28 seconds in you get the tackle and a brief chat with Paul Williams - great quote "if that's the type of game they want us playing, I'm not sure I want to play any more". And you get the bonus of watching Alesana Tuilagi smashing the reporter into the pool, which I can watch repeatedly and still laugh at seventy-three views later.

We agree on rising/slipping/riding up being a load of bollocks. If it's high it's high. And that even it is high, a penalty is usually a sufficient sanction. Also, I don't think "he was crouching" is usually a legitimate excuse.

Where we differ on the two Williams tackles is you seem to think it's a small big difference, whereas I would suggest it is in fact a big small difference.

2 Weeks, 4 Days ago

Sonny Bill Williams issued warning for huge hit on Conrad Smith

DrG, Get your point but think your examples are too extreme. There are high tackles and there are blatant clothes lines. (But I do enjoy watching the Tuilagi one for JDV's reaction).

I think the Sonny Bill one here sits in a similar category to the Paul Williams one in the 2011 World Cup- about 28 seconds into this video:
http://www.rugbydump.com/2011/11/2225/alesana-tuilagi-smashes-a-reporter

Paul W got a yellow for that, which I thought was incorrect. Penalty for both (no cards or "citing commissioner warning" whatever that means), in my opinion.

2 Weeks, 4 Days ago