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Benoit August playacting after James Short lashes out

Benoit August playacting after James Short lashes out
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In a week from now round 5 of the Heineken Cup resumes across Europe so today, and hopefully over the next week, we’ll aim to post a few requested clips from previous rounds. Here’s one that outraged Saracens fans, for more than one reason.

In round 2 of the competition Biarritz beat Saracens 15-10 in a match that was tight and lowscoring but produced two fantastic tries nevertheless.

Late in the game Saracens came close to putting themselves in a winning position as they almost scored in the corner through James Short, but he was held up and the try didn’t stand.

Unfortunately for Saracens Short’s frustration showed as he lashed out at hooker Benoit August, striking him in what appeared to be the throat. A dramatic flop to the floor followed, and the possesion – which was going to go the way of the visitors – was reversed with a penalty for Biarritz.

It looked for all money to be some serious acting, but only August himself will know if he was genuinly injured or not. The whole scene was quite amusing though as players could be seen sniggering as he fell over, and then when referee Nigel Owens made the call to penalise Short.

The lesson though, despite the possible overacting, is that he shouldn’t have given the opposition the opportunity to milk a penalty in such circumstances, however farcical it may have appeared.

Do you think that in future players that act in such a way should possibly be cited?

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  •  gethinjenkinsismyhero
    gethinjenkinsismyhero

    Nigel Owens should have given him the This is not soccer speech.

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  •  pretzel
    pretzel

    Ok, in reply to this comment and the one at me, has August gone for surgery? no? therefore not the same as rougerie.... END OF! The titles on RD haven't always been monotonous plain titles. I felt that benoit was play acting, i'm sure it hurt but i think he was acting... its just no one can prove it!

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  •  pretzel
    pretzel

    nothing to do with nations.... biffs and scraps bring everyone out... agreed that other nations do it, jimmy cowan has done it many times!

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  •  colombes
    colombes

    that said, irb should think about to sanction these behaviours as they tend to increase in EVERY leagues and countries

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  •  colombes
    colombes

    totally agree my point is just: don't make a generality about the actuality today, it happens in top 14, yesterday it was in super15, tomorrow in celtic league. but i guess the "ugly" french portrait brings more "clicks" to RD than the good top14 portrait. people prefer polemics than action. example: a beautiful top14 game (10 comments) and this unnecessary polemic (more than 60) everything is said ;)

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  •  frenchie
    frenchie

    Sankeor, the larynx is in the throat, right? August has been hit in the throat, so we're talking about the same thing. Thankfully August was not injured. The rule is that you can't hit above the shoulders.

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  •  frenchie
    frenchie

    @ Pretzel If i create "le Rugby Dump" i make sure you're not welcome! Haha! No, you cannot twist, change or alter the information just because you own a newspaper, a TV channel or a site! That would be totally unethical and would go against the 1st rule of journalism. Dictators do that. RD doesn't do that, I like RD a lot and i am grateful to watch the vids. Only here i thought their title was hitting in one direction and making the assumption that August was playacting. I think it is in the best interest of RD to present the action as it happened and let everyone discuss the information and decides if that was playacting or not. Full stop. RD i love you!

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  •  pretzel
    pretzel

    Whilst I see your point Colombes, you cannot really deny the way that No.7 fell was slightly odd.... I'm not saying he did fake it, I'm not saying he didn't fake it,.... BUT the way he fell DID look like he faked it, although I am well aware that how things look and how things feel do not always go hand in hand.... (if you read my post below somewhere I made reference to Rory Kockott flat handing Adam Thompson, I provided the link also and I see pain written all over it but it still looks odd)

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  •  colombes
    colombes

    speechless argument it's official you are our new stupid troll ;) fortunately, there are are more intelligent and lucid rugby fans over there

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  •  pretzel
    pretzel

    Well put it this way, if there is a spear tackle almost all players stop and look at the referee.... why? because sometimes playing to the whistle is assumed more dangerous in certain situations, not to mention running the risk of looking like you are starting a scrap if crash in there to ruck.... But actually being clocked and falling to the floor should not be something players are ashamed of doing...IF it is actually a genuine smack, see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdjQpFNqV8E I mean this incident could land a player an acting role, but I genuinely don't believe he fell to the ground due to his acting skills, I genuinely felt he fell from the hit... So is it right for us to stick him in the "possible citing" file? or is it right for us to not include this incident as a diving incident? My point is in theory your idea is great, but who is to say what hurt and what didn't, or what warranted a genuine fall and what didnt? The other side of the coin is: "too many fans seem to let things slide so long as it gets their side an advantage/win" really, this falls into the blatant "hand of back" i.e. get all Leicester fans to abuse back because of his cheating, not to mention every game mccaw plays to the referee and lives on the wrong side of the ruck...so all NZ fans should turn their backs on him?!? etc (all nations have their issues) and lets face it, rugby has always had its dark arts, and to try and remove them will probably take a lot from the game. So really it all boils down to what you or I determine is just or unjust, and whether OUR opinions actually do tie up to what is felt by the "victim."

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  •  yannoche
    yannoche

    Even a 'soft' strike in the throat can damage your thyroid and inner 'tubes' also it does happen that you loose your breath. Next time Sarracens will win with a strong side and fairplay...

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  •  uhtiger
    uhtiger

    Check out the lastest vid of the fight. Watch the black 7 from about 1.35. Looks like another case.

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  •  uhtiger
    uhtiger

    The latest video they've put up of the 2 teams fighting. Watch the 7 in black from about 1.35. He punches the guy whilst they are on the ground. The other guy goes to punch him back and the 7 goes gown like hes been shot. bahahaha

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  •  uhtiger
    uhtiger

    Ahhh here he is, Less than a month after the las case of a french man taking a dive and another one has done it. Bahahaha.

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  •  sankeor
    sankeor

    "funny to read people trying to transform french rugby players as professionals of the soccer simulation. i won't feed this poor debate but just saying: giteau, stringer, quinlan, lee byrne, hartley..." I wish there was a rugby site gathering statistics about those playactings and kind of stuff. But one thing: I'm absolutely certain French players do not fake more than others. If something is bullshit, that's it.

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  •  sankeor
    sankeor

    It had nothing to do, Aurelien Rougerie got hit to the larynx, he was badly injured, suffered many surgeries and his voice is altered forever. I don't think August has been injured at all.

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  •  sankeor
    sankeor

    Haha, totally agree... The movement looks dirty and the throat is a fragile part, but how can he possibly fall backwards ?!? It's very deceiving, especially from a guy who's expected to behave as somebody close to the indestructible.

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  • Well, so that's where fans (and, once upon a time, other teammates) come in. Shame is a powerful motivator. And while I'm sure an open-handed strike to August's throat, or a smack from Hines, actually does hurt, if a player feels ashamed of falling to the ground and look to the referee for a penalty, he might be more inclined to suck it up and move on. Part of the problem is that too many fans seem to let things slide so long as it gets their side an advantage/win. Even if it's not in the spirit of the game.

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  •  pretzel
    pretzel

    I think when you set up "Le Rugby Dump" you can present the titles as you wish, until then, as a free user, you should be grateful the videos are being uploaded for you to watch....

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  •  pretzel
    pretzel

    Problem is how do you actually stop it... As I said before, Byrne looked genuinely like he was "faking" in his actions, but then who are you or I to say he was/wasn't? It would take Byrne himself to come clean, and if he was facing a disciplinary panel with an eye to a ban/fine, I'm pretty sure he would say "ofcourse it hurt"

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  •  pretzel
    pretzel

    Very valid and interesting point actually...

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  •  stroudos
    stroudos

    Precisely. It's classic boy-who-cried-wolf. You get clowns rolling around flailing their arms like this and then it becomes harder and harder to tell who's acting and who's not. Extremely dangerous in rugby where real injuries happen.

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  •  frenchie
    frenchie

    Meant RD

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  •  frenchie
    frenchie

    RB i think you should not show your opinion on such/any action in the game but only show what happened on the pitch and let everyone judges if that was or not playacting. Your title is bias.

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  •  frenchie
    frenchie

    I believe the only guy to be cited here is the Sarrie player, for throwing a punch in his opponent throat. It seems that it's an English habit afterall... Remember Phil Greening hitting Aurelien Rougerie in the throat? Rougerie had to stop for several months. So here i go: English players are thugs! The last WC showed that.

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  •  moddeur
    moddeur

    I meant to say that "professional rugby will actually survive" the scare, and not that I don't think it will ...

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  •  moddeur
    moddeur

    This man I know who's a volunteer referee for a juvenile football league (and yeah, I agree it's a terrible idea!) once told me that he saw the wind change when 12-year old youths started playacting and talking back to the referee. This is why I don't think that professional rugby for the time being will survive this whole "football-like" scare: youths are taught a certain ethic at rugby schools that is more or less incompatible with this type of footballish attitude, ie. don't talk back to the ref, suck it up, take one for the team, etc etc But I fear that in the long run you'll be right, as more money gets pumped into the system, the risk of it becoming subject to this type of behaviour increases.

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  •  pretzel
    pretzel

    I actually have more time for this guy than some of the others i have seen... lets face it, a shot to the throat can't be nice.... this shit has been going on for years, just not to the extent it is nowadays... However I do think the problem arises when a player reacts to getting hit... who are you or I to determine if it hurt? I have taken big knocks to no avail, then had a rather soft knock to the leg which pretty much crippled me for a week... So whilst we all watch stuff like Tom James' headbutt: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rJrZdhtJQ4 And think, "what a diving prick" we cannot really expect the IRB to assess whether it did ACTUALLY hurt.... Again, watch: http://www.rugbydump.com/2008/02/349/nathan-hines-swinging-arm-on-lee-byrne I'd say Byrne was diving and exaggerating... then again would being swatted by nathan hines hurt enough to send me reeling to the floor like that? I don't like it, I just don't know how we can correctly judge...

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  •  pretzel
    pretzel

    I actually have more time for this guy than some of the others i have seen... lets face it, a shot to the throat can't be nice.... this shit has been going on for years, just not to the extent it is nowadays... However I do think the problem arises when a player reacts to getting hit... who are you or I to determine if it hurt? I have taken big knocks to no avail, then had a rather soft knock to the leg which pretty much crippled me for a week... So whilst we all watch stuff like Tom James' headbutt: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rJrZdhtJQ4 And think, "what a diving prick" we cannot really expect the IRB to assess whether it did ACTUALLY hurt.... Again, watch: http://www.rugbydump.com/2008/02/349/nathan-hines-swinging-arm-on-lee-byrne I'd say Byrne was diving and exaggerating... then again would being swatted by nathan hines hurt enough to send me reeling to the floor like that? I don't like it, I just don't know how we can correctly judge...

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  •  stubby
    stubby

    Mr Pigeons: leave the trolls alone. Trolls are idiots and trying to fight them at their level is pointless. They have way more experience at being idiots and will win every time. Many nations have players who play up injuries. Nothing less then a 6 month ban plus a BIG fine for the team would stomp it out. IRB don't have the testicles to impose that level of sanction.

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  •  colombes
    colombes

    astonishing comment coming from the usual french hater ;) yep, august play-acted it. it's disappointing coming from a forward and french fans hate that. but to say that's a french speciality make french fans smile. i would say that people need a new polemic on french rugby after eye-gouging, cowardice, french are now pussies, that's your argument no? don't worry french fans and players don't feel themselves like that. ps: did u sent your cv to the nz herald or dominion?

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  •  colombes
    colombes

    you forget to add they were eating frogs, were cowards because homosexuals and eye-gougers. aren't they?

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  •  colombes
    colombes

    funny to read people trying to transform french rugby players as professionals of the soccer simulation. i won't feed this poor debate but just saying: giteau, stringer, quinlan, lee byrne, hartley... nop, the most disappointing and astonishing thing here, is to see that type of behaviour from a front row :( difficult for a ref to have an eye on everything, players need to be responsible and respect rugby short reaction was stupid, many french players were sanctionned because of same nervy reactions

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  •  rob10
    rob10

    at least sarries lost.

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  •  comeoutyeblackandtan
    comeoutyeblackandtan

    Getting a knock to the throat is bad enough...even if it is not full force!!! You actually would get a shock and i think that Benoit thought he was seriously injured for a short time!!! I can't believe that everyone is comparing this to the tripe that goes on in soccer!! And no i dont think that players should be cited if they are so-called "playacting". Only the player can tell how badly injured they really are....and a lot of injuries you cant ever see actually happening!! The ethos that goes with rugby im sure would have meant that if Benoit was playacting his own teammates would have found him out and given him enough stick to make sure that he wouldnt do it again!

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  •  stroudos
    stroudos

    Wearing a dress next match is a brilliant suggestion! I've been warning about this simulation business becoming more prevalent in rugby for a couple of years now. The warning signs were there a while ago and it's gradually become pervasive. Exactly the same thing happened in football, it wasn't like footballers all became drama queens overnight, it was a gradual realisation that where big sums of money are involved winning at all costs meant cheating gradually became acceptable. A you say, simulation in rugby is not exclusive to French rugby, (by the way, I like Giteau and I prefer to think that he realised he'd acted like a complete knob and deliberately ballsed up the penalty kick out of a sense of shame and embarrassment!).

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  •  stroudos
    stroudos

    I'm okay with the forwards doing kicks but if they start playing like scrumhalves on every level it's going to ruin the game. Awesome comment!

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  •  stroudos
    stroudos

    Another case for review by the Front Row Union. Hooker decked by a wing. How does August sleep at night?

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  •  stroudos
    stroudos

    Do you think that in future players that act in such a way should possibly be cited? Cited. Fined. Suspended. Punched repeatedly. Put up against a wall and shot. None of these courses of action would be too harsh in my opinion. But I think i love bacon's suggestion of making him a wear a dress for the next match would be more effective.

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  •  samjt10
    samjt10

    Chris Ashton gets banend for 4 weeks for ungentlemanly conduct after pulling Tuilagi's hair. That is more ungentelmanly conduct, that is conning the officials into getting a decision.

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  • Having taken an elbow to the throat from my two stone two year old this morning I am more sympathetic than I would have expected. It bloody hurt and took about two minutes to start breathing normally.

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  •  uhtiger
    uhtiger

    I had 3 french supporters pounce on me for suggesting this the last time something like this happened. This needs to be stopped now otherwise it will end up like soccer, simple as that.

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  •  cheyanqui
    cheyanqui

    Good point -- if the fans denounce it, it may well push the leagues and the club owners to do something. If the fans shun the player, and bring down the player's "brand value" for endorsements, that should certainly make players think twice.

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  •  uhtiger
    uhtiger

    I was condemned by a couple people on this sight over claims that french players have a tendency to do this sort of thing. hmmmm.

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  • What I mean is, the French fans who I've met at matches, or the ones that post here, seem to be pretty good rugby fans - guys who actually know the rules and don't tolerate this crap. So it'd be nice if, instead of people in the stands letting this stuff slide by, you let players/clubs know that this doesn't belong in rugby. Maybe that's just wishful thinking on my part.

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  • For whatever it's worth, I think you meant to put "Biarritz" and not "Bayonne".

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  • Resorting to stereotypes is usually pretty petty, but I can't help but notice this is, yet again, a French rugby player in the Top 14. It's embedded in the culture, it would seem. From the passionate fans in the audience down to the management on the sidelines, there seems to be an atmosphere that sort of cultivates players going down a bit 'easy' - not that they're outright faking or have planned it from the beginning (not like the Harlequins a couple seasons ago), but rather it's a situation where, under normal circumstances, a player would have the humility and pride to suck it up and move on, these guys will just go to ground. Like I said, other sides are not immune to it. One that comes to mind: I remember Giteau falling rather easily a while back, only to botch the penalty kick. Or Brussow falling down rather easily a bit ago. But without putting much thought into it, I can think of several instances of French players doing it in recent memory...Dupuy is always ready to fall to the ground if he thinks he'll get a penalty, Vincent Clerc, Jerome Fillol, Dimitri Yachvili, and Morgan Parra. This isn't just a shot at the French, but I think it's something that ought to be discussed, so that people know it's a problem and that it's goddamn silly. Players who pull shit like this need to be called out and admonished for such typical soccer behavior.Do you think that in future players that act in such a way should possibly be cited? Yes, and they ought to make them wear a dress the next match.

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  •  tiernaldo
    tiernaldo

    this worse thing i have ever seen he should be fined for this crap

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  •  kaibishin
    kaibishin

    Of course August fakes it - it would hurt - but a man like him would definitely be able to handle a shove to the throat without much complaint. He obviously falls back to get attention that he got shoved, and then (because he may have been watching too much football) milked it like a bitch. This over-exaggeration should never be part of rugby and hopefully never will, but James Short (who I dislike) should not have childishly lashed out like that and waited to settle his beef in the game time, which would have allowed them the penalty.

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  •  cheyanqui
    cheyanqui

    The difference between the amateur vs professional eras: Professional era -- Bayonne takes a dive, and the Saracens player gets penalized / fined. Amateur era -- Bayonne player gets fined... at Kangaroo Court, for being a poes.

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  •  cheyanqui
    cheyanqui

    I haven't seen such bad play death since Fred Sanford would clutch his chest and tell his dead wife Elizabeth that he was coming to join her... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stdi-1tIUhM

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  •  ronan
    ronan

    benoit, take to the soccer pitch, you would fit right in with the fairies in that so called sport..... rugby doesnt need this in the game....

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  •  clockwork
    clockwork

    what a sook. In a perfect world this would lower the fans and future clubs opinions (and employment opportunities) of benoit. Personally, I really don't want this to become part of our sport

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  •  beerholder
    beerholder

    so it begins... in the professional world where the bending and braking of rules became the trade of the game it takes one guy to force the hand of the ref to create a virulent behavior amongst others.

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  •  fettsack
    fettsack

    It looks like something that would actually hurt but the way August falls backwards seems fake. This succession of videos showing exaggerations is starting to get annoying. I hope the IRB will take some measures to prevent this. I'm okay with the forwards doing kicks but if they start playing like scrumhalves on every level it's going to ruin the game.

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  •  stubby
    stubby

    ever been punched in the throat? hurts like a sunuvabitch especially the way he hit him with the web between thumb and finger. However it could be faked too. Not enough video there to really see the aftermath. At least the guy didn't cover his eyes and fake an eye gouge, like some soccer/football players would do.

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  •  patrick
    patrick

    a lovely example of the fosby flop

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