Tuesday Mar 20, 2012

Digby Ioane suspended for five weeks for tip-tackle on Coetzee

Digby Ioane suspended for five weeks for tip-tackle on Coetzee
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Quensland Reds winger Digby Ioane has been suspended for five weeks following a dangerous tackle he made on flanker Marcel’ Coetzee during their 27-22 defeat to the Sharks in Durban on Saturday. His previous record contributed to the hefty ban.

According to a SANZAR statement earlier today, Ioane lifted and failed to bring Coetzee down to ground safely. He admitted his guilt and judicial officer Mike Heron said that previous disciplinary matters, including his spear tackle on Casey Laulala in 2008, had counted against him.

“Ioane has been suspended from all forms of the game up to and including Saturday 21 April after contravening Law 10.4 (j). Lifting a player from the ground and dropping or driving that player into the ground is dangerous play,” said the statement.

An early guilty plea reduced the possibility of a heavier sanction. He flies home today, and will miss matches against the Bulls, Western Force, Brumbies, and Stormers. A bye for the Reds means he only misses out on four games.

The defending champion Reds have already lost Quade Cooper and a number of other key backline players, so the loss of Ioane, who is not only noted as a playmaker but a strong defender as well, will be a big blow.

“Losing your two healthy goalkickers and playmakers at the No. 10 position is far from an ideal scenario but we’ll reassess in coming days and come up with a plan best suited for our final game on tour against the Bulls,” Reds coach Ewen McKenzie said.

While the five weeks may seem harsh, and possibly lenient to others, all factors need to be taken into account when passing judgement. That includes the method of lifting and driving the player to ground, as well as the individual’s disciplinary record.

Taking that into account, do you think a five week ban is about right?

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  •  stroudos
    stroudos

    Other way round mate. If you hold him at the waist or lower (ie towards the feet) he'll tip towards his head. This is exactly what happens in all "tip tackles". But yeah, looks like we agree generally anyway!

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  •  samthehammerhopkins
    samthehammerhopkins

    Referee has given the 'technically' correct decision as the ridiculous laws state he has performed a dangerous tip tackle - but its a complete joke to ban him for 5 weeks just for putting in a decent big hit! Coetzee can go play football for that peice of playacting, Union and the IRB need to man up and get back to the traditional values of hard contact rugby

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  •  stroudos
    stroudos

    oops. By the way, I did say "anyone who studies basic physics" will know the head's heaviest. The point is if you hold a bloke's body in a horizontal position the head is naturally likely to drop lower than the feet. Once the "head end" (technical term) of the body starts to drop, it is difficult to counter-balance and bring the head back up above the horizontal.

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  •  stroudos
    stroudos

    Dave wrote: "Heads weigh about 10% of the human body's mass."...which I believe makes the head the heaviest part of the human body. By the way I did say

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  •  yupyupgup
    yupyupgup

    this stupidity isn't the referee's fault, they are simply enforcing the IRB's rules, therefore, it is the IRB who need to sort themselves out before they ruin the game once and for all.

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  •  cookie
    cookie

    This looks like a perfectly legal tackle to me...Ioane did not even drop the guy! Come on!

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  •  bigbob
    bigbob

    good hard tackle,nowt dirty or malicious, yellow card was harsh

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  •  guy
    guy

    Whahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaa! I was totally expecting something horrific. This is so shamefull for a front row forward that it completely becomes hillarious. I wonder what Moddeur would say about this as I understand he is a frontrower too. Good one Pretzel! Thanks!

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  •  pretzel
    pretzel

    Ah, sorry that was supposed to be a "joke" comment.

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  •  jeppy89
    jeppy89

    shock! of course you do, i think you two need to get a room and sort out your differences

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  •  rugby08
    rugby08

    *too

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  •  rugby08
    rugby08

    Rugby's going to effing soft man

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  •  pretzel
    pretzel

    ........I will contest that point Stroudos... I have seen props whose Arses or Guts are BY FAR heavier than their heads...

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  •  pretzel
    pretzel

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rJrZdhtJQ4 Hooker gets totally horrendously injured by a winger in this one Stroudos...

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  •  stroudos
    stroudos

    Sorry, can't resist... The scrumhalf's head was never in danger of being driven into the ground because the scrumhalf was on his feet about ten feet away from the tackle! Sorry to take the piss but it does help highlight the point that this is a case of a wing putting a lovely big hit on a BLINDSIDE FLANKER!!! A blindside flanker for Christ's sake, not just that but a South African back rower, writhing on the ground like he's been shot, milking it for a penalty. Now, I appreciate the fact that Digby Ioane's not exactly small, but what happened to the age-old sense of pride in your position? Can't be that long ago that a blindside flanker would do anything to avoid admitting he'd been hurt by a tackle from a winger.

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  •  stroudos
    stroudos

    Last sentence was supposed to start "Also France..."

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  •  stroudos
    stroudos

    Hear hear. Simulation is definitely creeping into rugby, which is absolutely tragic. Bizarrely it seems to be gaining a lot of traction in South Africa (eg Brussow in the world cup). Also, but I put that down to the higher salaries and the win-at-any-cost mentality that brings.

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  •  stroudos
    stroudos

    It's an interesting point because, as anyone who's done any judo or studies basic physics and/or human biology will know, the head is the heaviest part of the body, so it's quite natural for the body of a tackler to dip past the horizontal. Once that direction of movement is in motion it is difficult for the tackler to readjust their opponent's body position.

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  •  pretzel
    pretzel

    Sadly there would be no real way of suspending people for "simulation" or "faking"... it can always be argued that he had pain in his head after it for some reason, even if his head did not hit the ground etc... I had this discussion with someone a while back, I think we both came to the conclusion it is something which has to be policed by the offending players team mates and surrounding staff. Footballers do it in order to get penalties, free kicks, other players sent off, all because it gives their team an edge. Personally I'd rather watch my team play well and without this type of tactic and lose, than play with this type of display and win.

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  •  ruggernut
    ruggernut

    Personally I thought yellow was harsh. 5 weeks to me is overkill.

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  •  jwall
    jwall

    That has got to be one of the worst, softest decisions I've ever seen. Four weeks for that?! WTF! I've seen tougher tackles in a soccer game. He picks him up and the guy lands on his side. The tackled player was in no danger was completely uninjured and this is just a text book excellent tackle. Rugby union is becoming softer and softer, and it's losing me as a fan. How can you watch this kind of rubbish and not feel like the game is going down the toilet. I've seen tougher hits in an under 10 comp. Rugby league players would be laughing their arses off at how soft this is. In league this wouldn't even be considered a particularly great hit, jsut an average tackle.

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  •  ando
    ando

    Poor decision. While not a textbook tackle, he does seem to try and bring him down to the ground safely (pretty successfully I might add!) when he senses the tackle go awry. Hope this doesn't stop Diggers being the hard running, hard hitting player he is!!

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  •  nemeketh
    nemeketh

    I don't really see how he is dropping the player ... his head didn't even touch the ground at first... If some one can explain it to me, I would be pleased !

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  •  fudge
    fudge

    clearly you don't play either, that was a legitimate tackle that didn't go through the 90 degree barrier

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  •  stroudos
    stroudos

    I feel like I'm being trolled. Ha ha, nice one! I know how you feel....

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  •  guy
    guy

    Digby: one advice. Next time pick him up a liiiiiittle higher and spear him straight into the ground. That would be a PROPER reason for a five week ban. And besides that, this South African wanker wouldn't need to milk it. I am really strarting to believe that some teams train their players how to milk a situation like this. We see it all the time in France, we had Brussow at the World Cup and now this idiot. I am really starting to get worried about our beloved game, and especially about the behaviour of some players. Godawfull!

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  •  pretzel
    pretzel

    2012: I'm sorry but this should be a red card a lifetime ban and 6 years in prison sentence, that was out right thuggery. 2000: Brilliant tackle to force the turnover!!! This is bullshit, and not only does it highlight the fact that rugby HAS INDEED turned soft, it highlights how shoddy any of the refereeing is! As I have said TIME and TIME again, the citing system is surely there to either add extra punishment to a red card because it was such a heinous crime OR to make up for a referee giving the wrong punishment. If a referee gives a yellow card for something that is (apparently) worth 5 weeks then he hasn't done his job properly has he!!! So more focus should be on allowing the referee to get it right in the first instance. That SHOULD have been a red card IF it was worth 5 weeks. In my opinion though it was worth f'all but a pat on the back and a pint later on!

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  •  juggernauter
    juggernauter

    Agree with everybody here... this was a great tackle, brought him down safely, landed on his back... all clear. These suspensions are becoming a joke. I honestly don't know what's going on here. It's like a f*cking nightmare. Rugby without hits like these would be a travestry. Please, please, refs, if you're reading this, I won't ask you to man up, or to grow some balls, but to be honest and have some criteria. Rugby is a contact sport. And it's safe enough as it is. End of story.

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  •  cartersmn
    cartersmn

    I been a rugby fan for all my life and seeing tackles like this being punished is so frustrating and putting me off the game, I find myself turning to our poorer cousins, Rugby League, Union is becoming a joke! A warning was all this deserved, it was not that bad, anyone who says otherwise is just not a rugby fan in its purest form!!!

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  •  rodofle
    rodofle

    5 weeks for THIS ?????? What a f***in joke

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  •  shargon
    shargon

    When i saw that tackle i thought it barely deserved a yellow card, but nothing more. 5 weeks? That's absurd!

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  •  rufio
    rufio

    EVERYONE is right. And i agree. A yellow was harsh enough!!! But it astounds me that everyone is that retarded they cant figure out why he got banned!!! Does anyone here still actually play rugby?? Its nothing to do with being soft like football, its nothing to do with play acting, ITS TO DO WITH WHAT THIS TYPE OF TACKLE COULD IMPLY/DO TO YOU IF YOU FALL ON YOUR NECK!! (and believe me, after being on the receiving end of one last year, even at Amateur level, i still get searing pains in my neck now) So i can see why they are doing it!!!! So for all you muppets out there who STILL cant figure it out.......HE GOT BANNED BECAUSE HE IS BEING MADE AN EXAMPLE OFF!!!! They are trying to say, 'its potentially a very dangerous tackle and if you tip tackle (not matter what happens to the player who is tackled), you WILL get banned' so that this sorta tackle stops happening!!! END OFF

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  •  blew1
    blew1

    Extremely harsh, barely deserved a yellow.

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  •  downwithdropgoals
    downwithdropgoals

    He didn't drop him, certainly didn't drive him into the ground so WHY 5 weeks? Okay he went over the horizontal and they are trying to cut these tackles out but say 1-2 weeks is more than enough of an example. Also a 1-2 week ban for the flanker who went down very softly,even broke his fall with his arm and then made a meal of it, A worse offence in my eyes! PLEASE STOP DIVING AND PLAY ACTING!! I hope his team mates give him some kind of fine for this.

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  •  oneill_12
    oneill_12

    This is ridiculous. The linesman clearly had a good view but lacked the confidence or the steel to give a red card, as by 'law' a tip tackle is red. Warburton gets a Red, Ioane gets 5 weeks and there have been countless others not given or yellow carded. Until there is some consistency in the refereeing across the globe then this will always be a debate. Referees are more than willing to leave it to the Citing Officer or too meek to act.

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  •  smrfit
    smrfit

    5 weeks is harsh. Max 2 i think!

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  •  kettlerugby
    kettlerugby

    5 weeks! are u kidding?? that was a great hit! Yea maybe just past the horizontal but come on. Think he was just embarrassed to of got sat down by a winger

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  •  welshosprey
    welshosprey

    That was a great tackle If henson made that tackle on tait nowadays he'd probably get a 12 week ban.

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  •  buzzkillington
    buzzkillington

    I feel like I'm being trolled. 5 weeks! Is this real life? A yellow was harsh enough. The game is embarrassing itself.

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  •  spencah
    spencah

    Another excellent piece of judiciary work by the rugby judges, really showing their consistency. Idiots. Also, isn't 2008 a long time ago to still be punishing him for??

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