Sunday Mar 12, 2017 England crowned Six Nations 2017 champions after demolition of Scotland

England crowned Six Nations 2017 champions after demolition of Scotland
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England are officially Six Nations champions with one round to spare thanks to a convincing display against a disappointing Scotland side on Saturday. The 61-21 rout confirms their standing as the best team in the tournament, as they now look towards a Grand Slam.

Jonathan Joseph scored a hat-trick of tries as England retained their title, also equalling New Zealand’s record of 18 successive wins by a tier one nation.

Their seven tries blew away a Scotland side who had arrived in London bidding for the Triple Crown and with hopes of a first Twickenham victory since 1983.

England’s points tally was also the most either side had managed in the 135-match history of rugby union’s oldest fixture and saw them equal their record 40-point margin of victory against the Scots set in a 43-3 success in 2001.

England had not led at half-time in any of their previous matches this Six Nations but were all but out of sight at 30-7 ahead at the break

“We’re not beating our chest saying we’re the No.1 team in the world, but we aspire to be the No.1 team in the world,” said Australian coach Eddie Jones, who has not lost a match in charge of England since taking over in November 2015.

England must now beat Ireland to not only get the Grand Slam, but break that world record of successive wins, a feat that the All Blacks will be none too pleased with. Ireland though, will have other ideas.

“Ireland, psychologically, are in a strong position. They’re beaten, they’re out of the tournament and they love spoiling parties and the party they most like to spoil is the England party. That’s an enormous amount of psychological advantage,” said Jones.

*Video below now updated with official extended highlights

81 Comments

  •  drg
    drg

    Not at all, you guys are piss poor awful at losing! You hardly lose anything! Hahahahahahahahahaha bunch of stuoid winners! Have fun coming last in the loser race you winners!

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  •  pete
    pete

    Good to know we're the top of arrogance as well..........man we're just the best at everything!

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  •  pete
    pete

    Agree with comments above, shame there is so much tall poppy syndrome out there. There is talk of am AB vs Eng game this November but not sure they can agree on terms.

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  •  jimmy23
    jimmy23

    I think krip just got schooled.

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  •  danknapp
    danknapp

    Yes, but we're trying really hard to get there and will stop at nothing in our pursuit of excellence.

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  •  drg
    drg

    The French team has disappointed me for too long! Viva la unpredictability!

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  •  drg
    drg

    Haha both cracking ad....Surprised that got pulled Stroudos.

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  •  drg
    drg

    Ahem...Oo'er..

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  •  vladimir
    vladimir

    IMO, as annoying as they can be, english fans still have some margin to reach NZ fans'arrogance.

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  •  jonnyenglish
    jonnyenglish

    #KeepTheStreak

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  •  jonnyenglish
    jonnyenglish

    England have to lose at some point. But, but, what if we dont....

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  •  jonnyenglish
    jonnyenglish

    You should just change your name to this: ArrogantEnglishShortWit ;)

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  •  oliver
    oliver

    haha not even! French fans just have no choice but to be humble......It's been what, 6 or 7 years since France finished on the podium for the last time!? (and good call on your prediction! but it's not done yet, Wales might want to have a say about that....)

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  •  jimmy23
    jimmy23

    I found it to be quite funny really. Not as funny as this one though; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXivkjaPlZ0

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  •  stroudos
    stroudos

    It seems the English can be as humourless as the rest of them though - just came across this advert, which apparently the BBC ran a few times and had to pull. For my part, I think it's excellent: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHMysy-MJXI

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  •  stroudos
    stroudos

    Are you trying to out-humble us? Come on man, we're trying really hard here! I'd just like to remind you that I called France for second place before the tournament had even started. Have faith mon brave. :)

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  •  stroudos
    stroudos

    It's just jealousy, pure and simple. Some people are only happy when they've got something or someone to moan about! I agree it's a shame we won't see NZ v England until autumn 2018. Would be good to get an idea earlier as to where England stand against the best in the world. Then again, when you think back to past NZ world cup failures, the general consensus was that they peaked too early in the world cup cycle. Autumn 2018 is arguably the perfect moment to take them on.

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  •  stroudos
    stroudos

    I'd cut to the chase and type it directly into the search bar on pornhub. Actually, on second thoughts I probably wouldn't...

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  •  oliver
    oliver

    Now I really don't know who I should root for in Dublin.... If England and France win their games, Les Bleus would finish second, a welcome progression after all these dire years. It's just really hard to root for a second English grand slam as a French supporter! Anyways well done to England, whatever the result netx weekend, it's crazy the results Eddie Jones has achieved in so little time since the WC. (as an aside, I'm not sure the French give so much importance to beating the English anymore....I personnaly don't. We've come so far down the ladder every opponent/game is important)

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  •  stroudos
    stroudos

    Haskell made that point in interview soon after Eddie took over and suddenly he (Hask) was awesome again. Said something along the lines of Eddie knows when to use the carrot and when to use the stick; and he understand which players respond better to the carrot and which respond better to the stick. As I recall, he declared himself more of a carrot man.

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  •  drg
    drg

    I think it was more to do with England adopting the same sort of attitude that the AB's have....Therefore if they are arrogant bullies then it stands to reason that is also what the AB's are... Chances are though that they are just two rugby teams filled with talented players who are enjoying some exciting top level stuff and are getting the results they so desperately want and need.... I have to admit I don't know where the arrogance tends to come in.. AB's never seen anything but humble (as a team in post match interviews - always praising opposition etc) and so far, I've seen the same from England...Only hiccups was EJ's response to Italy's attempt to mix things up - which is a credit to Italy.

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  •  pete
    pete

    Well that escalated quickly... Well done to England, looking more athletic than I've seen in the past - quick backs and mobile forwards. Not sure how we got onto bagging the AB's as arrogant bullies (other than the standard response) but good to see England is now getting it. I can only assume now England are playing well and at the top of their game, they will crucified more than ever. Shame we can't see an AB vs England game anytime soon.

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  •  drg
    drg

    Oops, typo, meant no instead of by... Tryd 2 rit dat n prpa kweenz inglesh 4 u

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  •  mastersa
    mastersa

    Shame it not for the championship but Ireland will be playing for world cup ceeding which is a hell of a lot more important to them than spoiling the party of deserved winners. Cant wait for this contest.

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  •  hoot
    hoot

    I loved red-carpet-gate, classic Johnson. Give no quarter!

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  •  drg
    drg

    ....I was wondering what the score was with the "Peter North" comment... I was going to Google it as I figured it was unlike you to make a typo...Now I'm not so sure I want to....

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  •  drg
    drg

    Wow, I don't think I've ever seen Dan and Stroudos get so lambasted on their views.... ..I've got to say Stroudos' attempts to be biased tend to come across as fairly neutral and Dan more so.... So no idea where you're getting your thoughts from Krip.. As for arrogant bullies?! Really?! It's rugby, don't get me wrong, I'm not accusing you of being a proper cous cois eater, but there was nothing particularly untowards in Sats game.... There were niggly bits, but you have to realise that Scotland have been playing VERY well and so have England and i personally believe Saturday was a demonstration of two massive hearts colliding. I don't think Scotland lost because they were a bad team, I think they lost because of 1) injuries, 2) brain judgement... They slipped under the pressure and rather than hitting the reset button and refocussing, they panicked and tried to force the game. The niggles are natural, there was a lot of emotion on the line. Frankly Browns tackle on Daly was probably the 'worst' part of the game... Anyway, if you didn't enjoy the game then that's fine, but I think your assessment of England who I dare say have been pretty humble - minus the chat after the Italy game, is a bit off.... Yours truly, Not an England fan....

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  •  drg
    drg

    Stroudos, I think you need to work harder on the arrogance...That made total sense tbh... Scotland might be able to produce a player or two that are better in one or two positions (you may disagree and I can't say I can think of who, maybe Hogg?)..BUT, as a unit England have really sealed things up tight and bringing in people who aren't aware of that unit and having done the hours and hours just won't work.. Also if you didn't take Farrell and Ford on tour, they may not be utilised in the same way... Especially as mentioned there are different coaches going on tour and reality is, a lot of games are won and lost by miniscule differences and margins, including how players are treated - maybe Eddie Jones knows that yelling at Ford yields the best results, but cuddling Dan Cole is the way to get the best from him...

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  •  vladimir
    vladimir

    Rule the waves!

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  •  vladimir
    vladimir

    Good game!

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  •  stroudos
    stroudos

    Gentlemen, please. Try to tone down that arrogant rhetoric. It's very unbecoming of the supporters of the best rugby team on the planet.

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  •  stroudos
    stroudos

    Eh? Who's Peter North? Must have been a typo. I meant George North, a man who likes to go hard and smash holes. In the opposition defence, I mean. Someone who, when he's on his game, will pull defenders' pants down and give them a good humping. It was great to see him back to his best against Ireland, offering that devastating penetration again. There's probably more of these, but I'm running out of steam. Glad someone spotted it anyway!

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  •  stroudos
    stroudos

    Rugby Motherfucker! Did your country invent it!?

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  •  stroudos
    stroudos

    Rugby MotherfuckerI've always understood Krip to be French but I could be mistaken. Certainly, our other French correspondents on here all seem to be thoroughly pleasant people and this guy lets them all down with his misguided accusations.

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  •  stroudos
    stroudos

    "I think Stroudos should piss off, because he is arrogant, and I'm not, because I'm better than him." These are all facts. I'm also a total bastard and a general wrongun. But I'm afraid I can't piss off because I seem to have become addicted to this website.

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  •  guy
    guy

    Hmmmm...this should be attached to Stroudos post above. Twice.

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  •  guy
    guy

    FFS Stroudos...just spilled my coffee over my keyboard. I know you did that Peter North thing on purpose.

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  •  guy
    guy

    FFS Stroudos...just spilled my coffee over my keyboard. I know you did that Peter North thing on purpose.

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  •  danknapp
    danknapp

    Ireland are a class outfit and can be absolutely marvellous on their day. They've had a defeat in Cardiff and will now want to bounce back. I'm worried that we won't have the mental strength to turn them over. #ArrogantEnglishShortWit

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  •  dullsdulls
    dullsdulls

    I detect you dont like the English, join the que, I have been full time English for 52 years and no one likes us so why do you think your insight into this phenomenon would carry any weight? What country do you come form? Did it invent the game of rugby? No i suppose not....

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  •  jimmy23
    jimmy23

    To be honest Dan, judging by his rhetoric I'm under the impression that if we keep feeding him we'll have another PhilNZ on our hands.

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  •  dullsdulls
    dullsdulls

    I thought we should have been pinged at the breakdown for holding on but the whistle never blew.

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  •  dullsdulls
    dullsdulls

    I agree as it is about combinations but the other issue is that we have got the wrong coaches for this tour.

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  •  danknapp
    danknapp

    Krip, I think if you read my comments history you'll see that I'm genuinely interested in the game. I don't think I'm super-biased, but I'll happily accept that as your opinion and live my life. I don't agree with im1 that you should piss off, you should stay and argue, it's what makes this website fun. I think Stroudos should piss off, because he is arrogant, and I'm not, because I'm better than him. I'm not sure I've said anything along the lines of "we are winning, so everything is amazing", I simply argued that England have always been called arrogant and probably always will be while we remain a strong team. I'm definitely short-witted, concede that.

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  •  guy
    guy

    The fact that you can do nothing to defeat that, is one of the reasons I, as a neutral will always support England. Even when England plays NZ. I know part of the hostility towards the English team might be rooted in a collonial past or some other historic issue. But I actually think rugby supporters should be above this. Say what you want but every Six Nations tournament England has the thoughest draw. Why? Because everybody (except maybe the Azzuri) would love to drink English blood. And every team seems to be able to raise their intensity every now and then just to make some English lives miserable. In the end that might just be the proper preparation for next WC. Time will tell.

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  •  stroudos
    stroudos

    Oh Buddha... Come on then, let's carefully consider the arguments you put forward."They are arrogant, provoke conflicts and doesn't have a drop of respect for the opposition." Any specific examples? Or are we expected to accept this as a fact? I recall a couple of Scotland players trying to instigate handbags after a couple of England scores - if you're saying that scoring tries equates to provoking conflicts then you have a very different understanding of the game than mine."Refs also tend to break under this pressure which was the case in that game." Another very broad, sweeping statement. The only moment I can think of where the ref may have allowed pressure to influence his decision-making is when he failed to show a red card to Fraser Brown for a cynical, late tip tackle. (Personally I was satisfied with yellow). "Refereeing was abysmal and helped a terrible scoreboard for the Scots." Please provide specific examples of decisions that, in your view, the ref got wrong. I thought he managed the game very evenly and consistently - so far then we've both just made subjective comments, but the burden of proof is on you. The terrible scoreboard was accounted for by very fast England ball, decoy runners, precise passing and incisive running lines. I don't think it's arrogant to suggest that most teams would have struggled to defend against England on Saturday. Also, it is credit to the coaching team that they identified a potential defensive weakness in the Scottish midfield and created a game plan to capitalise on it. Apparently England didn't need that after all the injuries... So it's OK for you to insinuate that England only won because of injuries to Scottish players? Well, I contend that they'd have won comfortably even with all the Scottish players on the pitch. what was the problem of referring properly? The Ref was fine. England won, because ENGLAND ARE AWESOME!! How's that for arrogance? Happy now? :)

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  •  im1
    im1

    @krip - ok, p1ss off then if you don't find it interesting have a discussion. No one is forcing you to read the comments on here. Alternatively, try and find some clips over the past 18 months of an England player when asked if they are the best/could beat NZ etc, haven't responded with something like 'we have a long way to go and a lot of hard work ahead' Being 'super biased' can work both ways. Perhaps you should think about whether you anti-English bias is affecting your judgement. And to slag Georgia off it just being a tw*t. They should be given all the encouragement possible

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  •  jimmy23
    jimmy23

    As much as I would love to see England be the first team to get back-to-back Grand Slams in the 6 Nations, it wouldn't be the end of the world if we didn't. We've won the tournament, equalled the record for consecutive wins, can't complain too much really. England have to lose at some point and what will matter is how they respond to it.

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  •  ajv1beta
    ajv1beta

    You know, I genuinely turned to my dad who I was watching the game with, and said 'change the white jerseys to black, doesn't look too out of place does it?' Now NZ have had up to seven years or so of being comfortably on top to build into the all-conquering attacking force they have become, so England still have some way to go just like everyone else. But the performance yesterday reminded me of some NZ games I've seen against Scotland before. Scotland getting a few tries with the score already against them, but NZ already doing devastating damage with great attacks and first-phase plays. I've said to people before how NZ make their tries look so easy - no slogging over through pick and goes from five yards for them - and honestly, the first three England tries yesterday were rippers. I was always a fan of Conrad Smith, and in Jonathan Joseph England have got a player who potentially isn't far off. Awesome. Considering not long ago we thought our backline was far weaker without Manu Tuilagi in it!

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  •  ajv1beta
    ajv1beta

    Knowing how hard back-to-back GS campaigns are - last was 1997-1998 for France and NONE whatsoever in the 6N era - I didn't dare predict another Slam for England. So I can definitely see your prediction. However, what is nice is knowing that England had the exact same scenario they will face this weekend - a wounded team at home looking to spoil the party - to deal with last year, finishing in Paris, but came through that test. So I have a quiet confidence they can do it again. Ireland if anything were mooted to be the joint-favourites for the tournament though, and they'll feel like they haven't shown anywhere near their best yet.

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  •  ajv1beta
    ajv1beta

    Quite honestly, I take 'arrogance' comments as a complement by now. In my time of being an England fan, the more opposition fans are banging on about that, it means the better England are. In the down years (2005-09 or so, and the end of 2015) people preferred to laugh at England instead for being genuinely rubbish. I'd rather be unloved than untalented. ;)

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  •  jonnyenglish
    jonnyenglish

    Ireland have a habit of pissing on parades, see NZ last November and Grand Slam attempts in 2001, 2011 and 2015 spring to mind. Despite the unarguable achievement of England's recent performances, I'm very worried about going to Dublin.

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  •  jonnyenglish
    jonnyenglish

    Well responded...oh wait no more BS.

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  •  jimmy23
    jimmy23

    You act like you made a good point in the first instance.

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  •  krip
    krip

    @DanKnapp @stroudous You are both so super biased it's not even interesting to have a discussion : ) You are totally unable to look beyond others arguments and try to put some thought. "We are wining, so everything is super amazing!" attitude on 100%. I am ok with that, if it makes your day. A bit short-witted, though : ) Almost the same as Georgians hyper bias when they speak about their rugby. Funny.

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  •  stroudos
    stroudos

    Exactly Dan. Lancaster did everything he could to try and please these miserable, jealous scumbags whining about English arrogance. (@krip, I'm not calling you a scumbag, well OK I am but don't take it personally). Eddie Jones, by virtue of being Australian and therefore allowed to be as arrogant as he bloody well likes, has thrown off the shackles* to some extent. Still, I have not seen anything but respect for the opposition from the players, but they are going about their business with renewed confidence and passion. Obviously this is a good thing. England are at their best when they exude confidence to the extent that people label them arrogant. Look at 2001-2003. Look at the early 90s - there was one "tunnel-cam" moment, well ahead of its time, around 1991 or 1992 (back-to-back grand slam years) where Brian Moore said to the camera: "no-one likes us, but we don't very much care". (*No Aussie convict reference intended. Honestly!)

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  •  stroudos
    stroudos

    Indeed. Which is why it didn't actually sound that surprising! If anyone could "do a Burgess" with greater success, I'd back Ardie Savea to be that man.

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  •  jimmy23
    jimmy23

    Quite frankly Ardie Savea has the speed and agility to pull off being a back...

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  •  stroudos
    stroudos

    On 15th February, I posted this prediction, which itself was based on an earlier forecast only with Italy relegated to wooden spoon position: 1. England (Not a GS though) 2. France 3. Ireland 4. Scotland 5. Wales 6. Italy Not far off from today's current standings: 1. England (18 pts) 2. Ireland (10 pts) 3. France (10 pts) 4. Wales (9 pts) 5. Scotland (9 pts) 6. Italy (0 pts) Now, I'm still not *quite* cocky enough to back England for the win away to Ireland, but I will say it is looking increasingly probable! However, two of the most significant influences in Six Nations matches (in my opinion) are bouncebackability (copyright Iain Dowie, former Crystal Palace manager), and home advantage. Unfortunately, Ireland will have both here - and as Eddie Jones said in the comments quoted above, (even if we accept he's playing mind games), Ireland would absolutely love to piss on England's parade. On the other hand, we had exactly the same situation in 2003 going into the final weekend. Everyone was going on about how Ireland were going to spoil the party, then we had "Red-Carpet-Gate" and England humped them 42-6. So, Scotland *really* ought to be beat Italy at home. France at home to Wales? I've said before, one should never try to predict anything involving French rugby, but I will say in this case that I believe France will win this and win it well. Wales were excellent against Ireland, but I don't think Peter North will get anywhere near as much mileage out of the big Fijians on France's wings. Home advantage and a point to prove for the French, plus Wales's enduring ability to disappoint, will see them through I reckon. If that happens, then even if Ireland win (but with no bonus point), a France bonus-point win would see the table finish as I've predicted. At which point I'd pat myself on the back, kick myself for not putting a fiver on it and almost definitely be back on here to bore everyone further with how brilliant I am.

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  •  danknapp
    danknapp

    We (England) tried hard to be seen as anything but arrogant during the Lancaster years? How did that work for us? I didn't see anything arrogant on Saturday, just a team who came to win and who wanted to dominate the opposition. When Scotland had a scrum for them reversed into a penalty against them for a forward shoving Launchbury off the ball, was that arrogance/aggression/being a bully or a plucky underdog trying to unsettle Big Nasty England? I'm a fan of Scottish rugby. I'll cheer on the Irish. I'll just about, at a push, manage a smile when Wales beat a SH team. I like France. I like Italy. I love to see other countries playing well. Yet suddenly when I support my national team I get accused of being arrogant. You know what? There is nothing we can do to defeat that. A Welsh colleague (who has actually played a handful of games for Wales) said to me before this tournament that "as long as we beat the English, I'll be happy." I think we know that's true of most of the teams in the 6 Nations. So how do England respond to that? Every interview I heard before the weekend gave credit to Scotland, said what a threat they were, and talked about how we would need to raise our game against them. I've not seen a single English player laughing about what a pushover Ireland are going to be next week. You're confusing a determination to be the best (not there yet, but that's the goal) with arrogance.

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  •  colombes
    colombes

    My bad, i confused with the other brother duo, Jordie Barrett (centre), the young brother of Beauden who seem quite promising. Vs Lions, The All Blacks could present a team with 2 duo of brothers. Bloody.

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  •  stroudos
    stroudos

    Has Ardie Savea had a positional change then? I've only seen him play as a flanker. Fofana-Lamerat-Lopez could be lethal.

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  •  im1
    im1

    Scotland got three tries (certainly 2 of them) because they are a very good attacking team. When they get in the red zone, they (russell, dunbar, jones) know what to do and execute it well. Its very hard to defend against. Its like super 15 rugby. In the NH, we say its that the SH defence is poor, but really its just that the attacks can be so accurate that when they are 5 meters away from the line, they always manage to get there. Thats why to beat NZ you need focus on scoring tries as they will always get points against you regardless of how good your defence is

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  •  im1
    im1

    NZ has historically built a team of arrogant bullies. Absolutely intended, cause this is the style of rugby and attitude that makes them the best in the world. Now, I wouldn't say it doesn't work, but the things Kiwi players do and the way the act sometimes on the field are... ruthless. They are arrogant, provoke conflicts and do not have a drop of respect for the opposition. But they are considered the gold standard in how to play. So why not try to copy it?

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  •  colombes
    colombes

    Yep, forgetting scotland meltdown, that was the first time i was impressed by england backs play since EJ arrival. As for the best 10-12-13 combination, it's working well but still not convinced by Ford. I'm waiting to see how Ardie Savea will combine with Barrett, how Australia can find a 3rd man to the duo Foley-Kuridrani... And as a french fan, waiting for the reunite Fofana-Lamerat-Lopez this summer or later.

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  •  krip
    krip

    EJ is building England as a team of arrogant bullies. Absolutely intended, cause he thinks this is their style of rugby and attitude that will make them the best in the world. Now, I wouldn't say it doesn't work, but the things English players do and the way the act sometimes on the field are... disgusting. They are arrogant, provoke conflicts and doesn't have a drop of respect for the opposition. Refs also tend to break under this pressure which was the case in that game. Referring was abysmal and helped a terrible scoreboard for the Scots. Apparently England didn't need that after all the injuries... what was the problem of referring properly? Respect to England, they are probably the best team right now... but just not my cup of tea... I really hope the All Blacks will trash them anytime soon and I am sure they will take it in a very humble and modest way. The proper way, if you want to be the greatest.

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  •  im1
    im1

    I'd say Brown's tackle on Daly more dangerous than when Daly got a red for taking out Senatore (and more intentional as well). But by the letter of the law the cards in both cases were correct. The logical conclusion that (if you agree) is that the law is wrong.

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  •  stroudos
    stroudos

    Don't agree with that "rub of the green from the ref" comment. I thought the ref had a good game and applied the laws very evenly. I do agree that the late tip tackle on Daly would have attracted a red card from other refs, but in my opinion - based on the actual wording of the tip tackle directive - yellow was correct. Does anyone have news on Daly by the way? He came back on and then had to go off again. Is he all right?

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  •  stroudos
    stroudos

    Joseph's running is quite beautiful. So graceful and elegant, it's like watching ice-skating. Anyway, that's the man-crush out of the way. Just have to point out that Joseph was able to cut these fantastic lines thanks to the impeccable timing and precision of the passes from Ford and Farrell. Looking at it holistically, I think you'll struggle to find a more effective 10-12-13 unit than these three at the moment. Looking at it even more holistically, England had decoy runners all over the place which clearly was a nightmare to defend; and these gaps were created in the wide channels directly by having a number of very effective ball-carriers making the hard yards up the middle.

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  •  stroudos
    stroudos

    Well it's been a long old time since we've had any proper, old-fashioned English arrogance on these esteemed pages, and frankly I think it's long overdue, so here goes... I genuinely wish it were England going on tour to New Zealand this summer, not the Lions. I think this England team would have a significantly higher chance of success than any combination of home nations. And it's just not about individual contributions; the way Eddie has got them playing, they're really gelling as a team. The mutual understanding between players and the overall cohesion, especially in attacking plays, is of a standard I've not really seen since 2003. At times - dare I say it - it's a bit like watching New Zealand! (Well I did say I was going to be arrogant).

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  •  hellraiser_rob
    hellraiser_rob

    What are your reasons for Farrell and captaincy? Time on the pitch or something else? I thought he was electing to go for the corner more when Hartley went off. But the game was done then

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  •  hellraiser_rob
    hellraiser_rob

    Good performance from England, but I think they will be concerned by how Scotland bagged 3 tries, from playing quite directly. thought we got the rub of the green from the ref quite a bit, but I like to think he just came down on the side of the attacking team. Think the card for Scotland (Brown was it?) could have been red with a different ref, why he did that with the ball shifted right on by Dally, we'll never know!

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  •  drg
    drg

    U wot m8, u is beta my b wordin abt me?

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  •  45678
    45678

    I think there will still be a decent Scottish presence on the lions tour. I've been impressed with hamish Watson and visser has looked dangerous, just needs a higher work rate. Hogg and Russell will both tour, but I have a feeling that the gray brothers may have missed the cut after yesterday. Lawes and launchberry have been nothing short of awesome and itoje must be certain to tour. Kruis is the best lock in England imho and if can get fit in time should be picked also

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  •  danknapp
    danknapp

    Although thinking about some of the native English speakers who comment on here, I'd say you're considerably above average.

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  •  danknapp
    danknapp

    You sounded like a native, mate. Grammatically perfect.

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  •  drg
    drg

    Makes perfect sense Denis. You are correct in that assessment however. NZ are human and can lose matches (although rarely, even on their off days they still win!), but they rebound with an insurmountable ferocity that is in paralleled by any other team so far. Look at their recent match against Ireland....

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  •  denis
    denis

    Excuse my poor English. For the sake of clarity, by "off day" I meant poor performance.

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  •  denis
    denis

    Excellent England, but very, very poor Scotland. For England to be number one, they have to be consistent in the way NZ are consistent: one off day in thirty matches not one in every four.

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  •  colombes
    colombes

    Bravo to England. Joseph running lines were a joy to watch. Is it me, or Farrell should be the real captain? Feel for Scotland, Laidlaw and Strauss leadership absences + hogg and bennett early injuries were decisive

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  •  drg
    drg

    That was painful to see the Scots just falling apart - game plan, discipline, players injured just all went wrong. Definite testament to England, put so much pressure on Scotland that they couldn't handle it. I saw Johnny Wilkinson at the end talking about the game saying that the Scots needed to just regather themselves and their composure for 5 mins, not try and snatch back a score. It was like looking at a bloke gambling, loses more than he can afford and then goes chasing the money! I think the Scots definitely missed Laidlaws experience in gathering the mob together, that being said, they had plenty of big names who could have stepped up to take control - either of the Heat brothers have a lot of tests under their belts and isn't Jonny a captain for one of the Scottish teams? Losing Hogg must have been a big blow, but relying solely on one player isn't good enough. England played very well, but Scotland still managed to make dents which might not be good enough against the AB's, can't let them get a look in. Will be very interesting to see both these teams next week. Ireland coming off second best will want to make amends. England will need to stay focused. Scotland will want to wreck Italy to get good PD and Italy will be fed up of everything and want to ruin anyones plan! Well done to England! Still a good last weekend to play!

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