Sunday Oct 23, 2011 All Blacks win the 2011 Rugby World Cup - France challenge the Haka

All Blacks win the 2011 Rugby World Cup - France challenge the Haka
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The All Blacks put their 24 year nightmare behind them as they beat France 8-7 in the lowest scoring Rugby World Cup final ever. France came to play, and made their intentions clear just before kick off as they challenged the Haka in a unique way.

Wearing their white away strip, France linked arms and formed a ‘flying V’ before marching forwards towards the All Blacks, making it clear they weren’t going to simply make up the numbers in this one, their third RWC final. 

“I wasn’t alone, I had my teammates with me. I felt them close to me — too close at one stage, because they wanted to go across the field and hug New Zealand,” captain Thierry Dusautoir said. 

“It was necessary to calm them down. But it’s a great moment we’ll all remember. I felt during the week that the players wanted to do something during the haka, like they did in 2007. Someone came to see us, who I won’t name, who told us this idea. We thought of it this morning.”

Prop Fabien Barcella was one of the Frenchman who continued forward, having to be held back at times. “It was a ‘V’ for victory, quite simply. It’s the chance of a lifetime to play a final at Eden Park, we didn’t want to miss out on it,” Barcella said.

“It came from the heart, and showed that the 30 of us were together tonight.”

Francois Trinh-Duc, the flyhalf who started off the bench, said that the players needed to make an impression on their opponent. “We had to throw down the challenge to them,” Trinh-Duc said.

“It’s a special moment for the All Blacks, so we wanted a special moment for ourselves as well. It was a way of defying them, letting them know we were there. I think they were surprised, they weren’t expecting it, so I think it worked,” he said. 

What did you think of what France did in response to the Haka?

Highlights from the match can be viewed on the official RWC website. Other clips and coverage will continue on RD over the next few days. Please get in touch if there’s anything you’d like featured. 

103 Comments

  •  pretzel
    pretzel

    You should give up on the John Edward front, you couldn't guess your way out of a wet paper bag...

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  •  tanora
    tanora

    Sorry Joey, I was a bit ambiguous for your tastes. I'll try and be clearer. They would not - I repeat, WOULD NOT - have won if the refereeing had even close to fair and impartial. Not only did NZ not deserve to win that final, they should not have won. They were aided and abetted by possibly the most biased refereeing performance I have ever seen. Had it not been for the help they received from the ref, they would not have won that World Cup. The French will rightly feel extremely aggrieved, and neutrals everywhere will feel short-changed by what they watched. But hey, at least NZ got their World Cup, eh? Who cares that the tournament was cheapened and its credibility tarnished by a bullshit finale? NZ got their World Cup but I respected them more before the tournament.

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  •  rugbydump
    rugbydump

    Better quality on the homepage, with discussions etc. Cheers

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  •  uhtiger
    uhtiger

    Kaino was the tackler so no, not a penalty and he dosent throw the ball out, it comes out after one of his team mates falls on him. Dusutoir was the tackler.

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  •  joeythelemur
    joeythelemur

    Looks like this has moved to its own thread here, but here is a longer and better quality version of the video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7r_SKz0CQnk

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  •  joeythelemur
    joeythelemur

    Well, I don't believe all clear outs require a player to be grabbed, but that's as far as that needs to go. A terrible quality video, from NZ media, so ignore the commentators if you like, but it sure looks like a headbutt, then a rake. http://www.joe.ie/the-2011-rugby-world-cup/rugby-world-cup-news/video-rougerie-headbutt-and-eye-gouge-on-richie-mccaw-0017071-1 As for equating the two actions, you're digging deeper. So "you can understand a player doing a stupid thing at the end" even if it's a gouge? "It just happens"?? That's simply ridiculous. There's a reason why Ghiraldini was banned for 15 weeks; it cannot be tolerated, regardless of the situation. The moral equivalence you stated is staggering. You would "understand" if McCaw cops a potential career-ending injury because you think he's playing offside? If Rougerie headbutts or works in a punch or two, OK, I could see that as "it just happens". As you said, "Pretty shameful act" "The AB's calling other teams dirty just drives me up the wall.." Again, the filth stuff came from one former player whose scrotum was torn open playing against the French (so he's probably a bit sensitive there ;-). Not classy things to say, but you make it sound like the NZ team itself called the French dirty. On the contrary, both teams were class enough to leave it on the field. McCaw didn't say anything, and Dusautoir and Lievremont both said they just weren't good enough. No whining, no complaining, just class.

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  •  joeythelemur
    joeythelemur

    This word "deserve" keeps popping up. You all follow sport; "deserve" rarely has anything to do with it. Yes, France may have deserved to win the final, but they didn't. Wales may have deserved to win the semi, but they didn't. South Africa may have deserved to win their quarterfinal, but they didn't. Ireland footballers deserved to go to WC2010, but France got the benefit of that refereeing, didn't they? Teams feel hard done by refs all the time, yes, including the All Blacks. People need to let it go.

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  •  joeythelemur
    joeythelemur

    First off, it's not "my newspapers". I'm not a Kiwi. I don't have anything against the French; just scroll up a ways and you'll see that I agree that the NZ press treated the French team and the whole of the tournament with disrespect. Ridiculous stuff was said. "He was trying to clear Dusautoir with his fist closed?? Come on." I can see that we're just not going to agree on this. I don't think an open or closed hand position even crosses the mind of a player or coach when it comes to rucking, but apparently a closed hand is somehow unbelievable in your case. It wasn't a punch. But even if it was, are you still claiming that it's "just as bad" as a headbutt followed by an eye gouge? As you say, come on.

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  •  tanora
    tanora

    I'll keep this short. New Zealand did not deserve to win that match. France were the better side on Sunday and the referee was too gutless, incompetent and/or biased to allow them the opportunity to win. It was extremely frustrating to watch even as a neutral. I'll repost this clip from above: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XBqetaCfgo PS. I'm neither French nor a Kiwi (nor Australian).

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  •  pretzel
    pretzel

    I have a spine, its what allows me to sit upright and be able to type this. Why would you presume that I am spineless? What incredible clues have I given away about my personality? That fact I don't shoot my mouth off at every opportunity?

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  •  pilapica
    pilapica

    hey guys, chill on a lighter note, any one notice that nonu did the haka wrongly, he was lagging by a phase. pretty funny sight.

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  •  colombes
    colombes

    i hate eye-gouging, i think rougerie lost the plot when he saw mc caw offside for the 34th time of the match. will ser if he take a ban. but, u can't say that france used cheap shots to try to win it as it happened at the 78th minute... new zealand have been crap during this final and nz medias just try to cover it with "dirty french stories". what a poor mentality... what next? pape spitting on a provocative cameraman? french players pics doing party? french deserve it because of rainbow warrior? ... french have got nothin vs nz, lievremont, dusautoir and much fans had just good words towards nz... but seems that kiwis has really got a real problem with france enjoy your victory, drink beers, try to save the honour that your medias are putting down.

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  •  joeythelemur
    joeythelemur

    Nice straw man, Oliver: nobody's saying the ABs are angels. All rugby teams play to the edge of the law. Shameful that you would equate an accidental knee to the head while clearing out Dusautoir with Rougerie's gouge, which could cost a man his eyesight. Even if you think McCaw copped Parra on purpose, they're not even remotely the same.

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  •  joeythelemur
    joeythelemur

    Well, they ARE allowed to challenge the haka. What makes you think that they aren't? It's expected that there is some sort of response.

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  •  cheyanqui
    cheyanqui

    To all of those posting conspiracy theories about Stephen Donald's PK -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MLc0udf_74&t=3m29s "wide, and to the right. wide and to the right"

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  •  uhtiger
    uhtiger

    We were all saying this final would be filled with france stooping to foul play too win and as footage of Rougerie shows just that (eye gouging Mccaw) i guess our opinion of the french side was founded.

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  •  uhtiger
    uhtiger

    Actually, i give my sincerest apologies to Dusautoir. It was actually Rougerie who committed the disgusting act of eye gouging, and yes they do have close up footage of it. Be as upset as you want over reffing decisions but when you risk someones eyesight over a game, your lower than a dog in my opinion.

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  •  yorffeo
    yorffeo

    I agree. Can we burn the press? This should help!

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  •  yorffeo
    yorffeo

    NOW the French are fined for challenging the Haka! WHAT A JOKE! What should they do? Play cards?

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  •  yorffeo
    yorffeo

    Couldn't agree more It is as if winning the WC was not enough to stop the whinning from AB! Yes most people lost some respect for the AB thanks to this WC. Public booing an injured player going out of the field, shitty press, I won't say anything on the refering this time

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  •  jontye93
    jontye93

    Agreed. They were unbelievably biased. Furthermore, didn't really like they way the new zealanders treated cooper. Sure there were those incidents of him and mccaw but for him to be booed every time he touches the ball is uncalled for perhaps?

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  •  jontye93
    jontye93

    I think teams should be allowed to challenge the haka. I mean what gives the all blacks the right to show actions of slitting their necks and then other teams have to just stand there and look pretty? Simply moving forward doesnt do anything to the haka, at most it makes it nicer to watch.

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  •  jeri
    jeri

    Oh I don't know about that. Everyone thought Les Bleus have lost their backbones when they were incapable of scoring a try against 14 men, but with 60 minutes of outstanding performance on Sunday night they manage to win back their dignity. And behold - the media are singing them praises again. However as a kiwi I agree the French ought to be recognise for the heart they've shown in the final game, and I was very disappointed with the media writing off the Les Bleus before the match - treating them like jokes as if 2007 never existed. The press has a bipolar quality. They're good one day, and they're woeful the next. There's no consistency whatsoever, I'm not surprised that people don't respect them.

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  •  nemo34
    nemo34

    New-Zeland may have won the world cup. But as far as I'm concerned, this country lost all the respect and admiration I may have had for them. The kiwi press has been pathetic to such an extent their headlines will be remembered for years. Few people on earth may pretend the referring of the final was fair. We french were robbed. Kiwis, you won the Cup but this Cup is tainted with fraud and treachery. The honor you lost that day will not be easily regained.

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  •  uhtiger
    uhtiger

    Call him a cheat all you want, he'll still go down in history as one of the greatest players in the history of the game. Its just come out that Thierry eye gouged Richie towards the end of the game. Mccaw pushes the boundaries but at least he doesnt risk permanantly damaging someones eyesight.

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  •  frenchie
    frenchie

    @ PAto YOU'RE GAY!

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  •  frenchie
    frenchie

    Need to get it out of my chest now! Mc Caw is the best cheat on the rugby planet, and has been for years...why is that? I have no respect for this AB team, it was the final and they won so i guess no Kiwi fan would say anything. Would it be any other game they'd be fuming with rage. The Kiwis played crap rugby, played like pantsies, slowing down the ball and should have been penalised for that. Full stop. Shame on you Joubert! This guy was a Joke that day.

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  •  uhtiger
    uhtiger

    Yes thats a cup, new zealand had more points at the end of the game and won. Yet your still on here moaning. Can you not see the irony there.

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  •  uhtiger
    uhtiger

    You mean the one we're Kaino is on his feet when he goes for the ball then releases it as soon as his knee hits the ground (perfectly legal by the way). Or where they say Dussetior should have have awarded a penalty even though he made no attempt to release the man before going for the ball (which is illegal) or the last clip where bonnaire (or Hardinqouy) is a good meter off side. Funny how there is no mention of those in that video. And yes there are times when they came through the middle to kick at the ball, but there were twice as many when they didnt.

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  •  uhtiger
    uhtiger

    French supporters are the only ones who think it was a valid send off, i like most believe it was a yellow at best.

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  •  uhtiger
    uhtiger

    I agree fully, what france did in response was brilliant, there should be more of the same. However in no part of the haka does it remotely mention any type of violence. The throat slitting gesture means a different thing in maori culture, they realised that it would cause offence and have long singe changed the gesture to a more politically correct one. At highschool its common place for teams to advance on each other during haka so i doubt this had anything to do with Weepu's kicking woes.

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  •  joeythelemur
    joeythelemur

    Haha, surely a red! I've seen that before, always funny. Love how it looks like they're all part of a beginner line dance class, watching the teacher, just waiting for the one move they all know at the end!

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  •  pretzel
    pretzel

    Yes I was talking to you. Funny that you presume I am a civvy, funny how you also presume I am English, and funny how you presume you can kill me "just like that." As for the references to genitalia over and over again, I'd say you have sexual issues which go way deeper than you remember. Good luck sorting that stuff out.

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  •  colombes
    colombes

    yep, i guess that many french fans have been hurt by some words used by nz medias and try to have their revenge on blogs. but there are very few most of french fans are proud of the french players performance than bitter towards the ref. it was clear that joubert would be under pressure, he shited on himself on breakdown decisions. let's hope that France will win the ellis cup that frogs clearly deserved

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  •  moddeur
    moddeur

    Well my comment isn't supposed to appear way down over here in response to a fine message by yawn. Maybe I just can't get anywhere close to Pato's comment (which I originally responded to), being blocked by the halfway line and all ...

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  •  joeythelemur
    joeythelemur

    I'm also guessing that some of the bashing here has to do with the over-the-top media treatment of the French team. Shocking how the NZ press (and others) didn't refrain from that, knowing what France has done to them in the past.

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  •  joeythelemur
    joeythelemur

    Great match, can't believe all the whinging on here though about Joubert. Wish you all had class equal to Dusautoir, who after the match simply said the breakdown is notoriously difficult to referee, calls could have gone both ways, and that they just weren't quite good enough on the day. Lievremont said much the same thing. Get over it. This from a neutral American.

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  •  jimothy
    jimothy

    Every Saturday I rub myself in Vaseline, put on my tight shorts and tight top, pull up my knee high socks and then with a smile on my face I stick my head between two blokes arse cheeks whilst thrusting my hand up between a crotch and grabbing at his waistline. I then push really hard and if it all goes to plan we get a try and I get to hug the other men. To celebrate a great tackle we often slap each other on the arse and high five. After the game we strip down to our bare knaked flesh and shower together.... but holding hands to face the HAKA...that's just gay!!!!

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  •  moddeur
    moddeur

    There are so many wrongs in your message that I wouldn't know where to start. I also play rugby here in France and in my club a scant few people have a big mouth. Also, rugby referees have been blamed for everything since the late 19th century. The IRB was invented back then (1886) precisely to start getting people to agree on the reffing ... "Showoffs" is not a generally used description of the French, normally we are called "pretentious" or "lazy socialists". As for the alleged "girlie nature" of the French team's response to the Haka, I'm starting to think that was precisely their intent. As in "oh what a nice war dance, here let's hold hands while we watch it ...".

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  •  mbdefon
    mbdefon

    This pretty much sums up this match.. the all blacks not releasing and rucking unlawfully. and a terrible McCaw. :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKHCcfPMPHM

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  •  mbdefon
    mbdefon

    This pretty much sums up this match.. the all blacks not releasing and rucking unlawfully. and a terrible McCaw. :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKHCcfPMPHM

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  •  maximus
    maximus

    Thanx! This video did me so much good! It's sheer evidence. Nothing will change but at least everyone can see it. And it's not coming from a French, so it's as objective as it can be.

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  •  pretzel
    pretzel

    ........in the nicest possible way....do you ever shut the fuck up?!? Stop being such a whiny football bitch...

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  •  yorffeo
    yorffeo

    Some more? http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2011/oct/23/rugby-world-cup-final-france?fb=optOut

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  •  yorffeo
    yorffeo

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2011/oct/23/rugby-world-cup-final-france?fb=optOut

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  • Don't really understand what you are trying to say in "yet, let smile many french fans, regarding mc caw, kaino and read infractions." However I am going to say that perhaps you should know that NZ is happy for the win (even though some people are trying to demean it), doesn't mean we don't sympathise with the French fans....because we know what it's like too.... It's great you have a life outside rugby - it must be so nice to be French! We NZlders only worry about the rugby - who cares about the earthquakes and how much money that will cost us to fix our homes or how many dead wildlife there will be tomorrow on our NZ beaches! Whatever will we complain about now that the rugby is over and we won??!!! Plz. We won and that is enough for us we are not trying to put down France in any way despite what you may think of the NZ public even though EVERY nation complains about us if it's not mcaw its about the HAKA if its not the HAKA its about something else. Do you honestly think its easy being an All Black supporter? Whatever the French fans feel it is only a fraction.

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  •  hry
    hry

    What's up, sour Welsh fan. Actually, if Alain Rolland had reffed the scrums in the semi-final, rather than just letting the Welsh props take a dive every time they came under pressure, France would have walked all over the Welsh. If you're still bitter about what most rational, objective people now agree was a perfectly valid sending off, there's no hope for you.

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  •  pretzel
    pretzel

    Hmmmm, I don't why we are all still so hung up on the Haka.....I mean are we all so bitter that the only thing we can have a dig about is the Haka?!?! I mean, personally I love it, and I think if we keep the "commercial" Haka then we keep the "commercial" responses... I'm with Colombes on this one, or at least his video link that was posted.. As the commentators said, its nothing against NZ, lets face when playing rugby we tend not to be the most honest people about, and we play the referee. But one thing that really got to me was this whole "Poor NZ they haven't won it in 24 years" shit... What about poor old france who have NEVER won it.... I mean, I actually wonder what the world would be like today if NZ had lost that match... I mean there are immense celebrations going on in the streets because of it, but if they had lost it? would we be looking at a ghost town NZ? who the NZ citizens "hate" the NZ team.... I mean, losing to the FRENCH, the same french that lost pool games?!?!? would the rugby world be a big shambles of bitterness and travisty?!? i.e. is it better for the rugby universe that NZ won the game?!...pre written? No doubt they were the best team consistently in the tournament, but I have to wonder how so few decisions went Frances way. But a big congratulations to New Zealand, they played the games in front of them and we can't exactly expect them to not accept the trophy, heck they won it, the score was 8-7 to them! So commiserations France, you played very well. Congratulations NZ, you played very well overall, however I felt the nerves from you guys on the night.

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  •  mbdefon
    mbdefon

    that's an icredible video.. but it's over. past stays in the past.

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  •  colombes
    colombes

    shut up christophe! this penalty was in. this video is a montage i don't know why this rumour works but it's simply not true! the only thing that u can question is the different applications and interpretations of the rules of Mr Joubert: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XBqetaCfgo it's hard, it's sad, sometimes it goes in your way, sometimes not but france definetly deserve to win this cup one day, maybe in 2015

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  •  colombes
    colombes

    nobody said the All blacks didn't deserve this cup. most of people here say that didn't deserved it on this final game U could ask to every french fans, they will say you the same thing : "it was close, the ref certainly help them but all blacks deserve it for all the tournament" but the fact that many kiwis have (ridiculously) complained during 4 years about the forward pass in 2007, yet, let smile many french fans, regarding mc caw, kaino and read infractions. Rewatch Joubert performance and u'll be surprised: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XBqetaCfgo don't worry french fans won't complain about it during 4 years, we have a life after rugby but we like objectivity ;)

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  •  yorffeo
    yorffeo

    Sorry Christophe, although Joubert was very bad on this day because he did not want to be the guy taking decision and losing the WC for NZ, this one is in. There are 2 referees and 3 frenchs around, plus the angle is bad to judge. I guess we will never have other angles though.

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  • What was there to celebrate exactly? ?? Are you serious. Perhaps the win wasn't as dominating as people would have wished it was but the reffing was consistent in the fact that it was inconsistent for the whole tournament if you are going to argue that point. So until that's all sorted out in my view, ABS win is totally justified considering many teams have either benefited from the reffing to produce the..what do you guys call it over there?...an ugly win?? ... I thought the French did a magnificent job in the final, the whole V thing was also pretty awesome and just heightened everything however I would be very very disappointed if French won..not as an ABs fan but as a fan of rugby. The RWC is suppose to be all about the 'best of rugby' > Two defeats? and scrape by wins? IF France wants the cup so bad after that.....I don't know what to say because they will always be questioned... this way with the ABS winning NZ becomes the Villain and France the 'heroes'... You should be thanking God that it happened this way.

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  •  lnd
    lnd

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weUHwCjeD7s yeah well done, you really know your stuff, it was done years before the Welsh challenged it. I'm sure it has been done multiple times by other teams also, just not noted in history or recorded for tv.

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  •  yorffeo
    yorffeo

    I am not the only not french to find this by the way! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XBqetaCfgo&feature=related Have you got a favorite one? Maybe the exact same one: peeru not offside, parra offside? (around 0:30 in the video)

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  •  yorffeo
    yorffeo

    Ah ah...good trolling! That's a cup man. As long as they have more points than the other they deserve to go on. End of the story and you deserve nothing! For the french ref excuse... are you just discovering who he is? How many times he ref the french, how many red cards he put to them. Go back to kindergarten thx

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  •  yorffeo
    yorffeo

    I agree 100% What should one do when they do their Haka? Nothing just receive the challenge ? show your butt? go back to the dressing room. if you allow them to get their haka, fine. Let's the other respond the way they want as long as it is not by punching them....Or stop the haka!

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  •  yorffeo
    yorffeo

    I am not french so I might have a eye patch due to the ignomious NZ press but smaller than you think. I like NZer people. But give me the time line for what you say: For me as English guy said above: First two penalties should have been against NZ; not rolling away and dropping the scrum. The play leading up to the NZ penalty and giving them their lat points contained a clear high tackle which was ignored. NZ were constantly off their feet, and Mcaws counter ruck which resulted in the turnover was utterly and totally from the side And as other people said: you can't warn a team a couple of times orally, penalize the other team straightaway for the same offense and maintain you reffed the 2 teams equally They can't be proud of winning a WC like that.. but only the result will count right...but that's because they are NZer. You did not say the same for the french did you? Helpless media!

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  •  uhtiger
    uhtiger

    Yeah because a team that loses twice in the pool stages (once against a country with a population of 180,000) and that splutters to a win against a welsh side who had their bast player sent off by a french ref for 60 minutes of the game are far more deserving than the team who won all their pool games with a bonus point, and comprehensively beat the number 2 team in the semis. The farce of this world cup was that france even made the knockout stages. Wales were far more deserving of being in the final.

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  •  uhtiger
    uhtiger

    Whats farcical is people thinking refs give mccaw preferential treatment. They are professionals who's livelihood revolves around their onfield choices. Whats also farcical are the calls that the IRB give special treatment to the team of a country of 4 million. Surely it would be much more beneficial to favour a team from a country with a larger population, as the team wins more often so to would their viewership grow, in countries like england or france it would be hugely more prosperous for the powers that be. But no for some strange reason they give special treatment to a country where the sport is as big as its gonna get? Can you not see the logic.

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  •  nemeketh
    nemeketh

    About the ref. Check it out this video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XBqetaCfgo&feature=related It makes me sick

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  •  mbdefon
    mbdefon

    Dusautoir is Player of the Year. i can finally agree with the IRB. http://www.irb.com/history/awards/newsid=2060050.html#thierry+dusautoir+irb+player+of+the+year

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  •  tccalvin
    tccalvin

    Congrats to Richie McCaw for his acceptance of an IRB sponsored victory.

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  •  lnd
    lnd

    +1

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  •  breakaway
    breakaway

    @well really: your post was nonsense the first time, no need to repeat it.

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  •  colombes
    colombes

    Dear Telling it like it i what???) thx to care about our little broken french hearts but we are ok don't worry ;) we have other things to concern about, out of rugby (life, work, etc...) seems that's not the case in NZ? don't count on french for being sour during 4 years, just like new zealanders are after each defeats (waynes barnes in 2007, poison food in 1995) we will quickly move on as we have already lost many matchs because of ref injustices, as we win sometimes matchs thx to a severe but correct ref decision (vs Wales) there is not any french "haters" here. NZ title is deserved on the whole tournament. french and worlwide fans are just unhappy with Joubert who just had an eye on french fouls, than kiwis players could do what they want in rucks. it's not to be bitter, we talk about facts, such as traille forward pass in 2007. now, i just want to write a song in hommage to "Sir" Mc Caw: "Hey richie, take a walk on the off side" ;) So enjoy your win, i'm happy for new zealand drink beers, enjoy holidays, but comon my friend, stop to read the NZ Herald if u want to have a worlwide opinion. maybe one day our "broken" hearts, as u say, will cheer for a french victory and it will come and happen for a more global rugby

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  •  jeri
    jeri

    Actually I believe the French deserved to be in the finals just as the All Blacks deserved to win the Cup. In a game like this, the tallest one is the last one standing - that's just how knock-out competitions work. The French played great. They finally remembered they have a backbone and played with some urgency - in doing so earning back their dignity. However their bipolar quality couldn't match up to the steady performer of the tournament. If we have another match between France and All Blacks tomorrow, I'd still tip the All Blacks to win - that's just how it is. The French has shown time and time again that they have the firepower to win games, if they can develop consistency, they'll be the next World Champion in the making.

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  •  uhtiger
    uhtiger

    Funny, i also saw plenty of offsides and hands in the ruck from france go unpunished as well. The french seemed to think the middle of the ruck was "last mans foot" or that even after the ruck was formed they could carry on using their hands as much as they want or that they could come from the side and kick the ball ,at times from the half backs hands, so double illegal. But no you had you're eye patch on for those did'nt you.

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  •  uhtiger
    uhtiger

    Not just an english team in the nineties, every team in the history of english rugby.

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  •  uhtiger
    uhtiger

    And yet they flock to sites and voice their opinions on refs, calling joubert a cheat and complaining that they deserved to win, forgetting that the ony reason they made the final was on the back of a french ref giving them a free ride through the semi final.

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  •  breakaway
    breakaway

    As a life-long All Blacks fan who's been riding the bumps of the our RWC adventures and misadventures for a quarter century, today I'm feeling pretty OK. France stepped up in a way that every other New Zealander I spoke to during the week knew they would.. and the All Blacks overcame them (just) by what seemed like sheer force of will and determination not to fail. It has always been a strength of the ABs that they can win either way.. free-flowing and scintillating (the preferred option) or they can grind it out if necessary and still come away with the win. Yesterday was a grind and we all know it could have gone either way, games that tight can swing on a fraction of a second of ill-discipline or a momentary slip of judgement. When the French put together 15 phases about 40 metres out inside the final ten minutes it was the best period of disciplined defence that the ABs put on all tournament .. and it had to be.. one fatal whistle and it's another four years. NZ had to grind this one out because the French back-row gave them no other way. Credit to the French for making the ABs play in such a restricted style, forcing the issue in a way most international sides can only ever dream of. Reading around the sites I see some people saying that it was arrogant to give the French no chance. As I say, I didn't meet one NZer who thought like that, they know their rugby history too well. But the fact is the French had been playing poorly. NZ had beaten them easily, 9th-ranked Tonga had embarrassed them, and they struggled to fall over the line against 14 Welshmen. The French were not highly rated going into the final because they didn't deserve to be. I guarantee that not one of the hindsight geniuses who complain about the pre-match view of France's chances would have put their house on France winning. But the French figured out where their own strength was and they applied it with passion and it damn near worked. Too close for my health, but a terrific final.

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  •  buzzkillington
    buzzkillington

    How can that be considered a challenge to the Haka? They were about 20 meters away! Shame on the IRB for destroying haka confrontations. This isn't even 1% of the France - NZ haka in 2007. Thanks again IRB for ruining another part of the game.

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  •  cheyanqui
    cheyanqui

    Pato, get off the "gay" vibe. By your logic, the ABs doing Kapa o Pago shows that they each want a fisting from the French.

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  •  azim
    azim

    Ignoring some of the comments made by annoying ppl...the french try came about when the french player kick the ball out of the ruck. It happened a couple of times after and it always seem to place pressure on the ABs as it forced them to line up from offence to defence and scramble damn hard. I was just wondering, -Is this allowed ? (genuine question here my rugby mad bros) and; -if so under what circumstances? all in all, I'm pretty damn happy that the All Blacks won. Thrinh Duc was absolutely magnificent when he came on, so was their man mountain of a captain. unfortunately, every game has to have a loser and it just had to be the french. Effing good world cup all in all. 2015 is to blooody long!

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  •  flyingpepper
    flyingpepper

    Agree if HeavyHooker, all for free speech but the stuff coming from "Just call Me Ehtch" is just wrong. Surely people saying things like that should be kicked of the site.

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  •  heavyhooker
    heavyhooker

    RugbyDump, please monitor this site better and specifically Just Call me Ehtch. His comments are disturbing and offensive and have nothing to do with rugby.

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  •  welshosprey
    welshosprey

    When do they name player & team of the tournament?

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  •  andrej
    andrej

    France Won it to me. But one day it will be offical.

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  •  andrej
    andrej

    It happened so much in the Tournament. Teams that can run the ball like its glued to thier hands going for long distance lottery kicks. With Frances strong line out they should have kicked one to the corner then get a better shot at goal. It would have made history for a long long time. If France would have won the whole nation would all be at cafes with a could care less att. Thats why they made it. Such cool heads. Unlike Wales. They where all so nervous about winning they lost. French Rugbies are characters. Im deff a fan now. Such cool heads.

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  •  andrej
    andrej

    My original team was Ireland, second was Wales, then to see the lost of the Century for France to win. It would have made my life, and maybe just maybe it would get the New Zealanders to relax more about Rugby. They are willing to kill to get the Cup agian. Its just a Cup. They have the best winning record for any team in any sport, right? Come on New Z. Dont knee star kickers in the head becuase you are scared of a loss. Play a fair game. Cowards.

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  •  andrej
    andrej

    You mean if he didnt have his head kneed in by Richie McCaw? Yeah the All Black seem to be bribing the IRB after all I saw Brian Odriscall get dumped on his head by some late All Blacks, no fine or nothing. Its as if they own the IRB.

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  •  yorffeo
    yorffeo

    I agree

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  •  yorffeo
    yorffeo

    It must have been when you saw that Richie McCaw could play the way he wanted in the rucks, or when you saw that the offside rule did not apply to black shirts anymore or maybe when you saw that contesting balls off feet in rucks was considerate legit' if you play home at Eden Park? Yeah that must have been this moment. Or maybe a little before when high tackle was allowed for one team?

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  •  jeri
    jeri

    Congratulations to the All Blacks! World Champions 2011!

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  •  jeri
    jeri

    Actually the lesson of humility was learned (painfully) 4 years ago, that's why the ABs kept their composure and won :). You'll find a lot of us nervous about what the French will throw at us all the way to kick off. But yes! The French put on a performance to shut up the lousy media, whose general negativity and cynicism irritates me to no ends.

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  •  tccalvin
    tccalvin

    Worst, World Cup, Ever. Where was all the free running, multi try scoring Super Rugby I was promised?

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  • You summarize the preferential treatment NZ get from referees and the IRB in general. I can imagine that if NFL were a more "world-wide" game, and there were international matches, we Americans might get a bit of that, too. But that's just speculation. Either way, frustrating as it may be, I'd be hesitant to place the blame on a single factor, especially not the referee. Missed calls, wrong calls, etc. were frustrating, but there were other things involved - like France kicking the ball away a few too many times, a couple of real try-saving tackles from NZ, a couple of knock-ons from Les Bleus, a couple of missed penalty kicks from France (at least one of which they should've went for a lineout instead of kicking from ~50m out), etc. There's too many things that could've changed the outcome of the game to put any blame on Joubert. Criticism, yes...but not blame.

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  • Do you recall around when McCaw "dove"? I remember NZ getting away with plenty at the breakdown and a few high tackles went unnoticed, but I don't recall seeing McCaw dive.

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  •  mbdefon
    mbdefon

    Hey, Rugbydump! Now that the rwc is over, could you guys make a new Try Savers & Rib Breakers (RWC Edition)? Would be quite entertaining! no?

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  •  fettsack
    fettsack

    The whole french back row performed really well, it was a great game from Dusautoir, Bonnaire and Harinordoquy. Rougerie was outstanding and Trinh-Duc showed how to run the ball. Basically if it wasn't for the classical -let's give the AB much more time in the rucks- reftit might have gone the other way. Apart from this very final, the AB deserved that world cup. They played great rugby for four years and in the tournament. I also think everybody gives too much credit to McCaw.

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  •  moddeur
    moddeur

    A truly fitting final for an otherwise not so awesome world cup. Kudos for NZ for being such an awesome country and such a hospitable nation for the tournament, but I've had my share of deception with some details about this cup (minnow pool games etc). NZ deserve the victory for their overall rugby achievements from 2007 to 2011, but I'm more focused on being proud that France played with determination and did not lift their foot off the pedal as they often do, just to set a few wrongs right. The Haka response was cool, though it would have been better had they not held hands. Very cool when they overstepped the halfway line, knowing it would cost them (10,000 pounds sterling I hear). Kaino, Carter, Weepu, Read, the Franks brothers, Muliana ... there are a lot of great guys in the AB team (although I have to admit I don't have much admiration for McCaw's style of rucking from the side - but I admire his incredible athleticism and good off-the-field behaviour). It'll be sad to see Harinordoquy and Bonnaire and maybe even Dusautoir go, but each generation has its stars so France will be back, and if stats don't lie then they should be in the semis at least next time around :)

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  •  frenchie
    frenchie

    Congrats to all the French players, they gave the "mighty" AB a good lesson of humility and proved a lot of people wrong. The "worst" team of the competition played rugby and put the AB on the back foot for 40 min. Heads up! Dusautoir was immense, i'm sure he put at least 30 tackles in there.

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  •  buffalo
    buffalo

    Hmm I never thought that really, I love it! It's tradition!

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  •  yorffeo
    yorffeo

    For sure! They bore us with their Haka and now the opponent has to stand at least 10 meters out! This is a challenge, let's respond by another challenge and congrats to the French who played Rugby. Congrats to McCaw, I'll give him a good 6.0 for his diving performance. Honestly the best in the NZ team. Other than that well done both teams! Congrats NZ, and France!

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  •  demosys
    demosys

    Correction: Craig Joubert missed too many details to allow both teams to win the game. France's not to blame.

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  •  colombes
    colombes

    what a moment it was... great haka and great answer a great way to challenge the haka, respect and determination it clearly show how motivated were the french players like said before, and written in worldwide papers now: congrats to the All blacks, they were the best side during the last 6 weeks, but france was the best side tonight. Some of Joubert decisions were quite disgraceful... i guess he has become our own "new waynes barnes" :) but don't count on french fans for being bitter with this defeat. all credits to lievremont and dusautoir for their graceful comments, a glass of red wine and it will be better... they've make me proud to be french tonight, one day France will win this little cup :)

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  •  4lc4tr4z
    4lc4tr4z

    Clearly, New Zealand deserves the Cup. France missed too many details to win the game. Joubert's not to blame.

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  • I think I was most impressed with Trinh-Duc's performance. Wasn't expecting much from him really, given that he had been a bit...underwhelming earlier on. But he came off the bench and went straight into attacking-rugby mode. Great to see him run at the All Black lines (almost nabbing a solo try that first time). Wish France wouldn't have kicked it so much in the second half...running worked well for them the first half, so I was hoping they were going to stay with it.

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  •  jaunard_du_cantal
    jaunard_du_cantal

    Truly one of the greatest hakas of all time, loved our players' response to it. I was in a London bar full of kiwis the atmosphere was freakin electric. Awesome stuff.

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  •  maximus
    maximus

    Totally agree.

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  •  gallego
    gallego

    Reminds me of the Irish challenge in 1989. Good stuff.

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  •  demosys
    demosys

    Great Haka, great game. New Zeland deserve this title for their tournament not for this game. Proud to be French.

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  •  mbdefon
    mbdefon

    " France will be beaten by 20 points, at least! " -Shame on you.. France nearly won this match. Played awesome rugby. Congrats to the All Blacks. Would've been quite amazing if the french got there. One bloody point. I'm not going to blame it on the ref... Bravo les Blacks!!

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