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George Ford questions referee decision only to get a sarcastic response

George Ford questions referee decision only to get a sarcastic response
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‘The referee’s decision is always correct’. This is what we’re taught as youngsters anyway, but nowadays officials are in the unenviable position of being shown up by not only television replays, but in one infamous recent case, their own bosses. So players question everything. It’s becoming a problem, and this particular referee couldn’t resist saying something about it.

When Bath flyhalf George Ford questioned Matt Carley’s decision during the weekend’s Aviva Premiership match against Harlequins, the referee hit back with a sarcastic response.

Yes, it came across as a bit harsh, and the awkward stare down that ensued felt like it lasted for minutes, but as can be seen, the pass was forward and Ford should never have questioned it. As the ref said, it’s not as if he’d change his decision just because he got a mouthful in his ear.

While this is a fairly innocuous interaction and really just a harmless, amusing moment from the weekend, there are a few interesting things to point out that could make it a bit of a talking point.

The first offence: Ford was in the wrong, not only with his pass, but more significantly with his attitude towards the referee who as we all know by now, should command a bit more respect. Players really do need to stop flailing arms and questioning decisions. It sets a bad example.

The referees tone: Should Carley have been a bit more professional? It’s easy to overlook Ford and be taken aback by the sarky response of the referee. He was clearly trying to make a point, but lowered himself by not maintaining a better air of authority.

What if Nigel Owens said it? Owens has done similar things before, telling players ‘This is not soccer’, as well as various other well-constructed one liners. The difference though is not what is said, but how it is said, and perhaps that’s why Carley’s retort hasn’t gone done well with some.

View the match highlights (Great Danny Care try, nice Tim Visser debut, and a yellow card for a big shoulder)

14 Comments

  • colombes
    1:10 PM 06/11/2015

    A spank from daddy will clear his ideas. It seems Andy Farrell forgot to give some to his son

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  • stroudos
    10:52 AM 06/11/2015

    The North.

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  • jeri
    3:56 AM 06/11/2015

    It's a non-issue. Ford made a silly petition, and got a snappy response.

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  • drg
    11:45 PM 05/11/2015

    Can we not introduce things like the TMO for this? "Ok, Ford, if I check with the TMO and I was wrong, I'll buy you a pint and reverse my decision... IF I'm right... you get a yellow for your petulant little gesticulating.......deal?"

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  • drg
    11:41 PM 05/11/2015

    ..Ford*

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  • stroudos
    11:02 PM 05/11/2015

    George, how would you define "complaining" then? Ford's comment, along with the body language, certainly appeared to be a complaint to this observer.

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  • danknapp
    8:25 PM 05/11/2015

    Yet the referee is correct, he's not going to change his mind because Ford has argued. Ford should keep him mouth shut. He isn't the captain, he shouldn't be arguing with the referee. I don't think he should even be addressing the referee, unless asked a question.

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  • gonzoman
    6:29 PM 05/11/2015

    I am a ref, but I'm not clever enough to come up with Carley's kind of response off the cuff...I tend to take what I have now dubbed the "stroudos-lite" approach: I'd tell him that I made the call, and should he choose to challenge like that again I would penalize him. With the guys I have the pleasure of refereeing, that's usually enough but the few times that someone continues to argue, I go "full-stroudos". I have no qualms following through on a promise to penalize!

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  • gonzoman
    6:24 PM 05/11/2015

    Except Ford didn't "ask" the ref anything - He went up and told the ref "my hands were there". A proper, respectful way of asking would start with an apology for flailing his arms around and reacting poorly to a call, then be followed up with something with containing a question mark and a please, eg: "Sorry sir, I got frustrated. Could you please let me know why you ruled that pass forward? I thought I had released it backwards". Of course, for something as simple and straightforward as a forward pass, there's no point even asking, because the ref will just tell you he saw you throw the ball forward - even if he uses more words. I could justify asking for a law interpretation after a breakdown penalty or something that actually requires clarification, but after a forward pass or a knock-on there's no value in asking for clarification. Ford is a professional and should know better.

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  • stroudos
    6:08 PM 05/11/2015

    Spot on by the ref. Both his decision, (which to be fair was easy, seeing as Ford threw it forward at about a 45 degree angle!), and the righteous contempt he showed for the complaint. We cannot allow this sort of bullshit to get a stranglehold on rugby, it has utterly destroyed football. Whether it's through sarcasm or penalties it doesn't matter; the bullshit must be eliminated from this wonderful game. On question 3, I reckon Nige would have taken a similar approach and everyone would be celebrating another Owens classic. Question 3, part b) what would stroudos have done? Changed from scrum to penalty against Ford, secretly hoping that that would piss him off and make him argue more, just so I could march him back 10 metres. This is why officious, humourless pricks like me shouldn't be refs.

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  • fat_flyhalf
    3:10 PM 05/11/2015

    no issues with that at all... could have been more sarcastic...

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  • danknapp
    1:07 PM 05/11/2015

    Maybe the way he said it could have been better, but Ford deserved it.

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  • mozz87
    12:22 PM 05/11/2015

    Personally I'm ok with this. One of the only things that bugged me at the World Cup was every single time a referee stopped play for anything the captains were there like a shot questioning and trying to point out some unrelated offence they felt the opposition was getting away with... It is a slippery slope from there to groups of players crowding the ref trying to influence his decision.

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  • guy
    10:39 AM 05/11/2015

    I've got no problem at all with what he says and how he says it. If you behave like a child then expect to be treated like one. Come to think of it: I believe St.Owens lieterally said something like that to all 30 players on the field.

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