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Sergio Parisse harshly red carded as Brice Dulin gets tipped up in the air

Sergio Parisse harshly red carded as Brice Dulin gets tipped up in the air
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Stade Francais captain Sergio Parisse was shown a straight red card by referee Jerome Garces at the weekend, a decision that stunned the skipper, and everyone watching. It was a vital game for the Paris based side, a local Top 14 derby with Racing Metro.

Parisse went up for a high ball but got there early, which resulted in Brice Dulin jumping into him and landing badly. Parisse didn’t have too much to do with it though, as he was there to contest the ball and had he not been held back by Bernard Le Roux, might have got it.

It appeared to be a fair challenge, but Garces, upon referal to the TMO, felt that Parisse got there way too early, badly mistimed it and was reckless, so sent him for an early shower.

As can be seen, and as is brilliantly highlighted by Canal Plus at the end of the video, Parisse had eyes only for the ball. He was watching it from the moment he called for the up and under.

Perhaps his flailed right leg was a little clumsy, but you’d think he had no idea who was around him and being the competitive, athletic back-trapped-in-a-forwards-body that he is, appeared to be making a genuine attempt at catching the ball.

Garces, who sent off Jared Payne for a similar incident in a quarter final against Saracens in 2013, seemed to focus only on how Dulin landed. So Parisse, who was visibly distraught, was off and Stade Francais played an hour without their captain.

One extra thing to note is that the way he shrugged Dulin on the floor was not very smart, or sporting. Perhaps he felt he was faking it a little. Whatever the case, it sparked a bit of a scuffle and if Dulin was badly injured, would have been unbelievably irresponsible.

It’s a tough job for referees, especially with directives passed down from above, but all too often lately the focus appears to be on the result, usually when a player stays down, not the circumstances surrounding a challenge itself.

One might say that when competing for a high ball, you always run the risk of being bumped off balance in the air, so the chances of landing on your head are fairly high.

It seems to have reached the point that players simply won’t compete for high balls any more (or tens won’t kick them), because they know that if they don’t get it, not only will they not claim possession, but they may well bump a player in the air and give away a penalty, or more.

Most importantly in this case, Dulin was okay and there was no serious injury, while Stade Francais went on to win the away match 28-19, securing a place in the Top 14 playoffs.

Do you think Garces got this one horribly wrong, or was he correct to look at how Dulin landed, and punish accordingly? Let us know in the comments

46 Comments

  • jockmcg
    12:41 PM 26/05/2015

    Graces yet again shows he is not fit to be a top class referee. Clear tug on Parisse's shirt causes him to lose balance i the air and cause the collision. Penalty for Stade and yellow card to Racing no. 7for professional foul leading to potentially serious incident.

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  • bloblabli
    11:01 PM 13/05/2015

    actually i believe you can yellow card a player for bad sportmanship or for an action going against the spirit of the game or something like that... surely faking injury is against the spirit of the game. we should start yellow card all those pricks for christ sake!

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  • rugbydump
    10:08 AM 13/05/2015

    Oliver, sorry about that - I'm not sure what happened with the comment orders.

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  • danknapp
    9:54 AM 13/05/2015

    I've used polyglot in the past. I have kids too, so I completely understand!

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  • oliver
    8:37 AM 13/05/2015

    Hey Dan, sorry but I have kids and a busy schedule.... (even though I comment here too much ha) Maybe you can try some type of conversation exchange? Its better in the flesh but just to give you an idea: http://www.conversationexchange.com

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  • drg
    11:16 PM 12/05/2015

    :D Who'd have thought I'd get so much support..

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  • danknapp
    8:48 PM 12/05/2015

    Hi Colombes, unfortunately my comment on your double post got deleted with along with the original post. I had said that your comments always have something interesting in them. I didn't know that Dulin had previous injuries on that shoulder - it shows how important it is to have commentators from every corner of the rugby world. I always enjoy your comments, you always have a lot of good stuff to say.

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  • danknapp
    8:45 PM 12/05/2015

    They have something like this in football. If a player is seen to by a medic, they have to leave the field and the referee allows them back on once play has restarted. It is aimed to limit diving. It clearly doesn't deter that, but might work in rugby. Possibly worth a shot. I think we need to see red cards being dished out for diving/simulation. Bryan Habana had a few high-profile incidences and, for me, were worse than most of the rough stuff we've had highlighted for some time.

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  • danknapp
    8:38 PM 12/05/2015

    I would LOVE to practice my french, particularly when talking about rugby. I have a basic conversational level of french but have french relatives, and being European is very important to me. Care to help me practice sometime?

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  • eddie-g
    4:57 PM 12/05/2015

    I don't think you're the only one who thinks Dulin made a meal of this... the issue, however, is that at full speed, that looked like a nasty landing. Maybe the point is that with replays, you can pretty easily spot the fakers; they use replays often enough as the basis to mete out justice for pretty much all manner of misbehaviour, why not use it on fakery too.

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  • oliver
    4:57 PM 12/05/2015

    oh don't feel bad, I'm a translator by trade hardly your average Frenchie!

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  • flanker2712
    3:45 PM 12/05/2015

    Players would just get very adept at counting to 29 while writhing about on the ground!

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  • guy
    2:52 PM 12/05/2015

    I actually quite like your explanation. Plus 1 for that.

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  • guy
    2:24 PM 12/05/2015

    Actually I totally agree with you on this one. Lands on his shoulder, grabs the wrong side of his head in wendyball style. To me that seems like the kind of behaviour you see about a dozen times in every football match on the telly. Besides: some of the French players seem to have a bit of a playacting reputation. So I don't blame you at all.

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  • stroudos
    1:57 PM 12/05/2015

    Wise words from Mr Dickinson. Especially considering how awful his refereeing often was. ;)

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  • stroudos
    1:54 PM 12/05/2015

    Spent years learning French, but you lot always speak such good English I sometimes wish I'd spent more time on computer science or something. And I probably was being harsh on Dulin - see reply to Colombes below.

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  • stroudos
    1:52 PM 12/05/2015

    Frc, you must be joking with that recovery position comment. And my one at 6:50 is too harsh and if I could edit it to tone it down a bit I would.

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  • eddie-g
    1:45 PM 12/05/2015

    I don't condone it because it was possible that Dulin had a head injury. Simple as. Harsh on- and off-field punishments for hollywooding? I'm all for that.

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  • oliver
    1:39 PM 12/05/2015

    damn!! so even when writing in French we're not safe anymore?? anyways I thought you were being harsh with Dulin (and you weren't the only one), so I promptly donned my white knight suit. or bleu-blanc-rouge knight maybe ;-) as it appears RD removed the double post by Colombes, the whole thing is a bit out of context now unfortunately.......

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  • stroudos
    1:08 PM 12/05/2015

    I think I'm the only one - so far - claiming Dulin faked injury? I'm probably wrong, just overly sensitive whenever I see something that looks remotely footballery. I thought the whole mid-air cartwheel and the Clerquesque groundward thrust were exaggerated for effect. Didn't know he had a gammy shoulder. That could be another reason why he looked like he was suffering acute pain, but I'm not 100% convinced...

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  • stroudos
    12:37 PM 12/05/2015

    Brilliant quality on that video, feels like I'm watching it in ultra HD despite a really poor internet connection where I am right now. Lovely try too - audacious stuff.

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  • stroudos
    12:20 PM 12/05/2015

    Cracking idea. 2 minutes off-field medical check for any player writhing about on the ground for more than 30 seconds. Set up the petition.

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  • stroudos
    12:13 PM 12/05/2015

    Wherever you meant to post, you make a valid point. I didn't get involved in the Toner-Williams debate, but my view of that one was that Toner was dropped by his lifters. Don't recall him rolling about on the floor(!), but he did call from quite a height - personally I think if you're 2.1m tall you shouldn't be allowed to be lifted. ;)

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  • oliver
    10:11 AM 12/05/2015

    this was meant as a Frog-to-Frog answer to Colombes, no idea why it ends up here ??

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  • drg
    10:03 AM 12/05/2015

    Food for thought... What if, like the concussion checks, if you visibly stay down, then you have to leave the field for 5 minutes... There is no particular reason other than the fact that people who want to play the game might not bother 'simulating'... ...I know it will never happen, but it's the sort of thing I'd lovery: someone goes down faking an injury then when the referee comes over they say they're fine but the referee says "no, no, you went down hard then, you looked injured, off you go to be checked over" Anyway, nothing in this incident warranted a red card.. So it's a shame!

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  • danknapp
    9:44 AM 12/05/2015

    The guy landed on his head. It wasn't Parisse's fault, but he still hit the ground hard enough to be cautious. Parisse is experienced enough to know better.

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  • oliver
    9:28 AM 12/05/2015

    the IRB really needs to do something in this area. Just a few weeks ago Ali Williams was sent off in the European Cup semi-final for a similar incident that Toner milked to the maximum. Oh and by the way, I don't believe Dulin faked it here. he fell on his head and lay there for about 1 second before Parisse picked him up. he then gets up quite quickly afterward. On a more positive note: Senzelle scored an amazing try in that game! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMszSoCEzMc

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  • rugbydump
    9:07 AM 12/05/2015

    "There could be an argument made to say: there's a bloke standing there waiting to catch it, you come in at a million miles an hour, jump in the air and take him out. "You as the jumping player have made a clear decision - you're taking the contest miles up in the air when you don't really need to. You take all the risks then, that guy's done nothing other than stand waiting to catch the ball. "You've created that dangerous situation by leaving the ground. "By all means have the contest, but if it goes wrong, be prepared to accept the punishment." Well said Stu Dickinson

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  • stroudos
    8:10 AM 12/05/2015

    Your English is perfectly clear, as is your accurate reading of the incident.

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  • stroudos
    7:59 AM 12/05/2015

    I think you should be entitled to pick up and rough up a cheating prick who is deliberately faking injury to get you sent off.

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  • stroudos
    7:55 AM 12/05/2015

    Here's how I'd have reffed it. Penalty (no card) against white 7 for holding Parisse, clearly causing his position in the air to change and bringing about the awkward contact with Dulin. A quick word with Parisse for the "afters", reminding him not to take the law into his own hands. Yellow card for Dulin for faking injury and cynically trying to have an opponent penalised. (I realise this is not in the laws, but it bloody should be). This last bit would be a moot point, but the bit around 3:00 where Dupuy is moaning at the ref for a long time after the sending-off would result in my reversal of the original penalty.

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  • stroudos
    7:50 AM 12/05/2015

    Yeah, but Dulin was demonstrably fine and being a massive faking bellend. I think that much was perfectly clear to Parisse and I don't blame him at all for getting angry with the prick.

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  • stroudos
    7:48 AM 12/05/2015

    I do condone it. This sport can not accommodate play-acting and milking of penalties like this. It's classic boy crying wolf stuff and it's starting to get out of hand. I think a new law is required whereby if a player is "simulating", you should be allowed to pick him up and give him a couple of slaps round the chops.

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  • finedisregard
    1:30 AM 12/05/2015

    Horrible. No cards. No penalty. Just let them play.

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  • boybath
    11:33 PM 11/05/2015

    just ban the jumping now your getting lifting into the jump and the lifter acting as an obstruction. Its just the SH who want it so they can use all their aussie rules rejects at FB

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  • drg
    10:42 PM 11/05/2015

    Damn, there was an article I read not long ago: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/32502292 Pathetic call, feel sorry for Parisse!

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  • castafeletti
    10:32 PM 11/05/2015

    ...Ridiculous decision.

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  • reality
    10:17 PM 11/05/2015

    I love the way big man number 4 comes in and shoves Parisse when he's not looking and then immediately retreats behind a wall of people. Really brave. Crap decision though. I thought Garces would have learned not to make such horrendous calls after costing Ulster a Heineken Cup quarter-final, but evidently that wasn't enough. And asking a TMO to check how the player landed? Can he not check it himself on the massive television? Is he really that afraid to make a decision himself?

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  • eddie-g
    10:12 PM 11/05/2015

    I think you're right - it's pure frustration, not condoning it at all, but Parisse probably thought the situation was being milked.

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  • danknapp
    9:50 PM 11/05/2015

    Pretty sure that when you put someone in the recovery position you don't drag them up into the air by their arm. If he was doing that he'd have gotten slowly down next to him and would have supported the guys head. No red card for the collision, accidents happen. Penalty for the afters, yellow card at most for what could have been a dangerous movement if the guy had sustained neck damage. I don't think this is worthy of a red card. Surely the IRB need to take a step back and change their guidance to referees in situations like this...

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  • c_gillon
    7:51 PM 11/05/2015

    Shocking decision but it doesn't excuse him for the poor sportmanship afterwards. He's got form for things like that.

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  • 7:37 PM 11/05/2015

    With the amount of diving and play acting in rugby (especially French Top leagues) I would bet money of Parisse being a touch frustrated at both the playing lying there and at the situation on the whole. Whilst I'm not condoning what he did, I think its pretty clear to see why it happened...

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  • anton
    7:34 PM 11/05/2015

    It's quite true that him trying to lift the player up is dangerous, however, the TMO decision was only based on the collision itself. For that reason it just can't be a red card. At no point did the referees addressed what happened afterwards in their discussion.

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  • flanker2712
    7:13 PM 11/05/2015

    It might be marginal, but the flanker grabbing Parisse's shirt alters his trajectory and ends up making things worse. But I agree totally with im above. What the f*@$ was he thinking picking Dulin up like that?

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  • eddie-g
    6:26 PM 11/05/2015

    As you say in the write-up, what matters, the only thing that matters in terms of the law, is if Garces thought Parisse was reckless. I guess you can argue he was consistent from the point of view that both were red-carded for effectively mistiming the chase on the kick - but I feel that Parisse especially, by getting himself in the air to challenge for the ball, has surely negated the idea he could be reckless. Unless recklessness in rugby now includes putting yourself at risk of injury, in which case we should all pack our bags and go home. The law in this area isn't much help to refs, they don't even have a whole lot of room to "apply common-sense", but I'd reckon when you have a player airborne and legitimately challenging for the ball... if they can't do that without risking a penalty, then there's something wrong. (Others may recall, Schalk Burger was retroactively red-carded after the SA-Samoa game in the 2007 WC for something very similar to what Parisse did, and banned for pretty much the rest of the tournament - later reduced to 3 games I think. It was an outrageous decision by the JO, but I guess looking back now, it was ahead of its time.)

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  • 10stonenumber10
    6:06 PM 11/05/2015

    ...Ridiculous decision. Top14 referees don't seem to like "The Chosen One" very much. If you are in the air and contact another player, you will not land where you aimed. Taken frame by frame, Parisse's feet were not on the floor when the contact happened. I will admit that picking Dulin up afterwards was a bit aggressive, the verbals were probably enough. The french highlights recognise this too, saying it is a harsh call, Parisse competed legitimately, rose into the air first, got first contact with the ball, and was hit from the blindside by a diving fullback. He only stayed down because that ball should have been covered.

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