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Shirtless Brian Lima leads Samoa in Siva Tau wardance vs Ireland

Shirtless Brian Lima leads Samoa in Siva Tau wardance vs Ireland
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Brian Lima paid tribute to fellow Samoan legend Peter Fatialofa by leading the traditional Siva Tau challenge against Ireland on Saturday. It was an emotional tribute at the start to the game, following the sudden loss of Fatialofa earlier in the week.

Former team-mate Lima, now defence coach for Samoa, led the troops, barefoot and shirt off in front of a packed Aviva Stadium. Lima and Fatialofa played together in the team that famously upset Wales in Cardiff at the 1991 Rugby World Cup.

“They played together in World Cups. It was just fitting to let Brian lead the Siva Tau,” said captain Kahn Fotuali’i, who perhaps should have had a word with the ill-informed commentators prematch.

Unfortunately Samoa weren’t able to take it to the Irish, who won the game comfortably 40-9.

“When we found out about Peter’s passing, that brought a bit of fire but we left it on the training paddock,” Fotuali’i said. “That was not the way we want to portray our team. Urgency was a key word. And it just wasn’t there.

“It is frustrating after such a special moment of Brian leading our Siva Tau and the passing of Peter.” As a result Samoa, who could have jumped to fifth on the world rankings, dropped to eighth.

Following some of the discussions below, we’ve added the RTE commentary version here

Above is the RTE version of events, with the commentators fully aware of what was going on, and the significance of Brian ‘Chiropractor’ Lima’s presence for the Siva Tau.

36 Comments

  • aj_capote
    10:19 AM 22/11/2013

    Just seen the RTE version - so much better. Great respect and reverence from the commentators there. Also, quick point - am I mistaken, or are microphones put on the pitch to amplify the Haka when NZ play? If that's the case it doesn't seem fair that the Samoan wardance wasn't miced up, although I might've missed the microphones off-camera.

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  • danknapp
    8:38 AM 15/11/2013

    This is nice. Now I feel like a dick for defending you originally. Can the two of you just pipe down? Anyone who gets so worked up about the haka giving them an advantage needs to calm down. You don't think that watching the haka helps get professionals in the zone? If the haka or similar war dances provide such an outstanding advantage how come Samoa, Tonga and Fiji aren't always at the top of the tree? The ABs advantage comes from an exceptional style of game play, quality athletes, and good coaching. At the same time, it is tiring to listen to you being called a racist just because you sound ignorant. But you do sound ignorant.

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  • danknapp
    8:30 AM 15/11/2013

    I don't understand how rugby fans like Reality can get all bothered about the haka or other posture dances, they're all part of the spectacle of watching the rugby. I've seen loads of comments about 'having to watch the haka' before and just don't bother responding, because I think it's a daft viewpoint. Like you said, turn it off or go and make a cup of tea. It's more than I really object to people using accusations of racial prejudice as a trump card to make a point in arguments. On a happier note, I've got a horrible feeling NZ are going to stuff us rotten on Saturday. I would imagine there will be a considerable point to prove. If we beat NZ, it'll be a huge win, but I can't quite see it happening yet.

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  • reality
    10:58 PM 14/11/2013

    I've never heard such crap in my life, but fine; I don't like the haka and think it gives an unfair advantage to New Zealand, therefore I'm a racist for some reason that I don't understand and I need to learn more to differentiate Maoris and 'Pacific Islanders' (I like how you bunch them all into one group while telling me that I should learn about cultural differences). I should be more open-minded and accepting of other people's opinions, and have less sensitive nerves, just like you. I don't really understand what Maori means now though. If to be Maori you just have to be from New Zealand and don't actually have to have any affiliation with the Maori people, then what's the difference between a Maori and a New Zealander? I'm sure my tiny, racist brain will never understand.

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  • reality
    6:27 PM 14/11/2013

    They used common sense in that instance, but the rule came from somewhere, and I somehow doubt it was some Australian that came up with the rule. Anyway, aside from the fact that I find it boring and irrelevant to rugby, I think it's unfair when, as the last action before the start of a match, one team has to line up and watch the other work themselves into a frenzy and make throat-cutting gestures and team A has to just stand there and accept that, and then has to be the first one to turn away, otherwise the Maori tradition (performed largely by Caucasians, Fijians, and Samoans) will have been disrespected. Just because they're the best team in the world doesn't mean they should get special privileges.

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  • cambridgeshirekid
    1:34 PM 14/11/2013

    You probably shouldn't have access to the internet. Time for bed now

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  • stroudos
    11:58 AM 14/11/2013

    Awesome. What a shame you didn't have the RTE version first - could have saved a lot of silly nonsense on the comments!

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  • stroudos
    11:43 AM 14/11/2013

    Taking your point to its logical extreme, the English and Scottish, after watching the spectacle of the haka (or similar), should pull out muskets and shoot everyone in sight.

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  • danknapp
    10:32 AM 14/11/2013

    I am saying that I like the siva tau, haka etc, and I would like the commentators to be quiet through it. I'm saying that I disagree with him, and I like having it. My 5c is still that you are out of order to them make it into an issue of race. Not liking that part of the show has nothing to do with racial undercurrents. I just think it's out of order to call someone out as racist because they don't like sitting through them. I agree with the rest of what you said. I don't think the majority of kiwis/pacific islanders etc do feel any 'disrespect'. That was a valid point, and I agreed with it. I just think to then reduce it back to race is disingenuous at best, and nasty at worst.

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  • drg
    11:16 PM 13/11/2013

    @finedisregard Quite simply...shut up you wanker..

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  • 10:46 PM 13/11/2013

    Great to see, hope this type of thing never leaves rugby, it's what makes it more than a game to most of us, a few of you aside, but a powerful expression of emotion, pride and passion. I think the emotion BOD was feeling was happiness that Lima was not going to tackle him that day. Well done to RTE and the Irish crowd, and to you naysayers as well, you make life so much more interesting.

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  • kadova
    6:39 PM 13/11/2013

    It's not the ABs who asked for France to be fined, it's an IRB rule. And Steve Hansen requested publicly that IRB don't find the French team. But the IRB did not care what Hansen was saying. And it was a very small fine, so that won't stop Les bleus from doing it again ;o)

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  • browner
    5:02 PM 13/11/2013

    However, If they had done their challenge silently..........say in 'Mime' now that would have met my "respect for Fats" measuring stick

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  • browner
    5:00 PM 13/11/2013

    seen one pre-match challenge .............. seen em all. yawn...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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  • browner
    4:52 PM 13/11/2013

    Yeah in super shape ..... Unlike the victims of his countless 'cheap shots' that masqueraded as tackles !

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  • rugbydump
    1:59 PM 13/11/2013

    It's now been added on page 2 of this post. They did a great job.

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  • finedisregard
    1:42 PM 13/11/2013

    I'm not against national anthems, but that's all you get. If the Irish made a big showing of singing menacingly Oro se do Bheatha Abhaile AFTER their anthem while making other teams just stand there, then yes, they should feel foolish. Especially if they lose. Where does it stop. Should the Boks do a zulu dance? Should Canadians do a First Nations war dance? Just play.

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  • reality
    1:03 PM 13/11/2013

    I know it's not the haka that the Samoans do; I never said it was. But it's a 'war' dance that the team do which is what the All Blacks do with the haka. If it was a minute of silence - and since all the Samoans were staring down their opposition it doesn't look very much like a simple minute of silence - then the commentators should have stayed quiet. Then, regarding Kiwis moaning about disrespecting the haka, you're moaning about me now and calling me racist because I think the whole thing is stupid; Ma'a Nonu whined when the mean Welsh players didn't turn away before the All Blacks did; the French team was fined for overstepping a line during the haka in the world cup final. Yes, there's definitely too much whinging about disrespecting the haka.

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  • finedisregard
    12:52 PM 13/11/2013

    Black armbands are western culture? So are national anthems and flags. So are team sports. So is shaking hands after the game. Imagine if 20 years from now O'Driscoll is coaching and say Peter Clohessy dies unexpectedly. Do you think BOD should come out with a guitar and sing the "Parting Glass" after the anthem? That is his culture, right? 1)You get a national anthem. That's it. 2) You can't tell me if Lima had put on 30 pounds since his playing days he would have chosen to pay his respects in the same manner.

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  • benny
    12:25 PM 13/11/2013

    Yeah, I also get really bored during those one minutes of silence to respect the recently departed. I'd much rather hear the commentators talk total drivel.

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  • benny
    12:18 PM 13/11/2013

    Do you think the Irish feel foolish for singing their anthem with pashion every time they are beaten by NZ? I doubt it. I can't imagine they were thinking about the game or the result, they were thinking of Fats and i thought it was a nice touch for one of their "elders" who played alongside him to lead it

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  • colombes
    11:20 AM 13/11/2013

    like always bbc fucked up everything... after labelling "fat" a french tenniswoman during wimbledon, it just confirms that this tv group know very few about sport ans valors, in general

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  • themull
    10:44 AM 13/11/2013

    Should've put up the clip with Irish commentary, who actually respected the whole thing by shutting up and actually realising who Brian Lima was..Really annoyed me to hear these guys talking nothing of importance during the Siva Tao rather than just shutting up and letting the people enjoy it...

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  • danknapp
    6:42 AM 13/11/2013

    Yes, ignorant. Typical NH commentators, no.

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  • danknapp
    6:38 AM 13/11/2013

    And yes, I have incorrectly referred to it as the haka, but I am unable to edit my post now I've made it.

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  • danknapp
    6:36 AM 13/11/2013

    'Undercurrent of racism' my arse. Don't be a prick. His point about not particularly enjoying the haka has nothing to do with race. I disagree with him, I like it and I would like the commentators to be quiet during it (which they were once it had started), but saying that he is racist for saying that is moronic.

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  • drg
    2:19 AM 13/11/2013

    ...I believe a black arm band is a somewhat Western culture, so why on Earth should a Samoan rugby player, who is mourning a late Samoan rugby player pay homage by adopting a Western tradition.... ...Perhaps these uncivilised brown men should be forced to wear suits and serve drinks in our large houses as well???

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  • jimter10
    1:31 AM 13/11/2013

    Brian Lima is a legend, embarrassing that he wasn't recognised. A fitting tribute to a Samoan legend.

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  • finedisregard
    10:53 PM 12/11/2013

    Why not a black arm band and a moment of silence? I have a feeling that if Brian Lima (who was a fantastic player) was not so physically fit he would have chosen a different way to pay his respects. It's old guy vanity.

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  • againsthehead
    10:46 PM 12/11/2013

    Great tribute

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  • reality
    10:34 PM 12/11/2013

    I don't know. They were quiet when the Samoans were actually dancing and shouting. They were just speaking during the bit at the beginning when nothing was happening. I missed the first few minutes of the match but I would have wanted to hear commentary rather than silence while they stood there doing nothing. It's bad enough that you have to go through the whole thing whenever New Zealand play and then listen to them whinge whenever somebody 'disrespects' the haka, but doing it for Samoa and whoever else as well? God, I just want to watch them play rugby.

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  • aj_capote
    10:28 PM 12/11/2013

    You do realise that in this case he did it to pay tribute to a recently deceased Samoan player?

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  • ollie
    10:18 PM 12/11/2013

    Commentators ignorant on every level. It actually didn't sound like they knew who he was...

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  • tafkins
    9:58 PM 12/11/2013

    The commentators have all game to talk! Why cant they shut up for two minutes??!

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  • finedisregard
    9:27 PM 12/11/2013

    So now coaches are going to start taking their shirts off before games to show how macho they are? Unfortunately Making a spectacle of himself didn't help his team. I would feel very foolish to go through the trouble of all that dancing only to lose by more than 30 points. Maybe more time training rugby and less time dancing? Just play the games.

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  • 8:09 PM 12/11/2013

    1) those commentators need to shut the f*#k up! 2) Man, he is still apparently super in shape

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