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Springboks edge All Blacks in another thriller between the two rivals

Springboks edge All Blacks in another thriller between the two rivals
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The battle between the top two teams in the world lived up to it’s billing yet again, but this time it was the Springboks that beat the All Blacks 27-25, after another epic Test match. A long range penalty by Pat Lambie secured the win at the death.

The Springboks lived up to their intentions of playing a more expansive game, as both sides played positive rugby in a highly entertaining first half. The home side scored three times, including a brace for young Handre Pollard who not long ago was named the IRB Junior Player of the Year.

Before that Francois Hougaard got on the end of an excellent length of the field effort, with the attacking mindset under coach Heyneke Meyer paying dividends.

For the visitors Julian Savea was lethal, beating tackles on a number of occasions. When he isn’t bumping them off, he kicks well, as seen with the first half try he set up for Malakai Fekitoa.

This was a bruising, epic battle and while the Boks led 24-13 at the break, the World Champions wrestled their way back into the match in the second half, scoring two tries to take a 25-24 lead with ten minutes left.

A Schalk Burger carry prompted a no arms tackle by Liam Messam, who appeared to have no malicious intent but did make contact with Burger’s sizable head as he ducked into the tackle. The footage was missed by the officials but it was beamed onto the big screen, and around the world, and the crowd soon got referee Wayne Barnes’ attention.

As with protocol, he opted to take a look at it, and after speaking to the TMO, made the call to penalise Messam, bringing the play back to 55m out, from which then replacement Lambie had an opportunity to slot three points.

He did so on the Highveld with relative ease, keeping his head down beautifully and taking the lead for the home side, sending 61000 fans at Ellis Park into raptures.

“Pat never answered me on how far he could kick when I asked him at the captain’s run, so I was not sure if he could kick those long ones,” said coach Heyneke Meyer of the flyhalf.

“I am very pleased with Pat, he really worked hard. Handre was awesome as well and we now have great depth at flyhalf, considering we have Morne Steyn and Johan Goosen as well.

He also spoke about the incredible support in Johannesburg, and the respect between the teams.

“I have been involved in rugby for almost 30 years and this support was unbelievable. We saw the crowd support on the way into the stadium and the national anthem was awesome.

“It was an unbelievable test match. At home you have to pull these close matches through. We are relieved that this is done now. The win was due. We appreciate the compliments the All Blacks gave us afterwards, we do respect each other,” he added.

Duane Vermeulen was all over the park, despite being out injured for the entire week. He played with broken ribs, only being passed fit on the morning of the Test. He earned Man of the Match.

48 Comments

  •  whiteafrican
    whiteafrican
    3:36 PM 22/10/2014

    So, after all this whinging and moaning from Vancouver_Cannucks about me allegedly agreeing with comments made by NZ_Dan, RugbyDump has now confirmed that Vancouver_Cannucks and NZ_Dan are the same person: http://www.rugbydump.com/2014/10/3927/all-blacks-snatch-victory-at-the-death-in-thrilling-brisbane-test#allcomments Troll.

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  •  desertcolt07
    desertcolt07
    11:34 PM 09/10/2014

    Springboks beat the all blacks more than once every 10 years.

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  •  eddie-g
    eddie-g
    4:25 PM 08/10/2014

    Well said, and I would add, the view of most NZ fans I know. SA played its best rugby in the first half, and lesser teams than NZ would have been blown away.

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  •  pete
    pete
    8:36 AM 08/10/2014

    AB Fan here... No problem with the result, Boks played an outstanding game and took it to us in the first half. Rather than blame the ref I'd prob blame our poor start, hard to come back from that against a quality team. Sure we got close but that first half prob decided the result more than the ref.

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  •  desertcolt07
    desertcolt07
    7:34 AM 08/10/2014

    god knows they need the win.

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  •  desertcolt07
    desertcolt07
    7:33 AM 08/10/2014

    im happy it was a great contest and yeah the boks probably deserved it the way they played. i was happy with the referring up until the very last call but probably because the all blacks were down on the score board. we both know it was a bad call (yes there were others) but id prefer it if it came down to the players...like last year. had the game not stopped for ker-barlow injury, however, i dont think the boks would have held on, they looked out on their feet and praying for the final whistle.

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  •  katman
    katman
    7:12 AM 08/10/2014

    No buts. And the game wasn't "decided by a bad call". Every game has some dubious calls going both ways. This one was no exception. There was a number of rucks where McCaw played from an offside position - one where he even plays the ball back while lying on the ground. Ref doesn't always see or blow it up - such is the nature of the game. Just because the Burger call happened in the final minute, doesn't make it any different from all the calls before. It was a tight game that the Boks probably deserved to take by a narrow margin. Which they did. As I said, it's a loss and it's going to happen from time to time. Take it on the chin and move on. No buts.

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  •  desertcolt07
    desertcolt07
    6:55 AM 08/10/2014

    i would have prefered to see the abs get the penaty miss the kick than what happened.

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  •  desertcolt07
    desertcolt07
    6:54 AM 08/10/2014

    yeah, agree, but you hate to see a great game decided by a bad call.

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  •  katman
    katman
    6:26 PM 07/10/2014

    This ref blaming is most unbecoming. A few miserable losers here giving the Kiwis a bad name. It's a loss. Just take it on the chin and move on. Perhaps it's just as well the Kiwis have such a good record. Imagine having to hear this whining more often.

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  •  i_bleed_green_and_gold
    i_bleed_green_and_gold
    2:09 AM 07/10/2014

    That was a great game. I really admire the tenacity of the all blacks. Watching them come back so many times from large deficits is amazing. Against Ireland last year and again here. To be honest the boks should never have given the field position away that led to the second 2 tries. We started playing territory after first 2 tries when we should have kept ball in hand. This led to first ab try. All blacks literally had 3 chances in the bok half and took them all. Too many turnovers in the first half in the red zone. Loved seeing boks playing with the ball in hand, From everywhere on the park. That last penalty could have gone either way. Probably very lucky we were the home team. Barnes would not have left the stadium alive. Is there an order in which penalties take precedence in this case? Player does not release the ball and Duane is on the ball first, burger is in from the side after Duane has hands on the ball. Both are penalize-able barns is looking from the other side so issues the infraction he sees. Would have been gutted if that went the other way. A shame it had to come down to one penalty. Bringing it back full circle to how amazing the all blacks were for coming back. Nail-biting epic in the end. Lots of young talent shining through. Going to be a good end of year tour and world cup.

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  •  desertcolt07
    desertcolt07
    9:46 PM 06/10/2014

    way to be cool man....

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  •  desertcolt07
    desertcolt07
    9:44 PM 06/10/2014

    we could but the fact is, if burger wasnt there, messem would be clearing out vermuelen instead

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  •  desertcolt07
    desertcolt07
    9:42 PM 06/10/2014

    0:10 in, springbok foward pass leading to first try...take 7 off there too

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  •  desertcolt07
    desertcolt07
    9:35 PM 06/10/2014

    @vlad... a) buuuuulshit! hes basically playing halfback for nz b) if he wasnt there, messem would have been clearing out vermeulen instead. c) he's basically shielding vermeulen so he could win the turnover

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  •  45678
    45678
    7:44 PM 06/10/2014

    The shocking decision of the day came when mccaw was allowed to make a tackle, lie on the floor for a second, wait for the ruck to form then come in from the wrong side, pick up the ball, roll around and make a legitimate turnover? I know he has made a career of playing in the margins of legality, but that one took the biscuit

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  •  vladimir
    vladimir
    5:28 PM 06/10/2014

    a) I do believe he is 'marginally' - as they say - coming from the side, in any case no worse than a casual Richie McCaw, b) He has no influence on the ruck whatsoever, even if optically it does seem so, c) He gets there a long time after Vermeulen has already being contesting the ball.

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  •  eddie-g
    eddie-g
    4:35 PM 06/10/2014

    As a Bok fan, I'd love to believe that... but I think NZ still have an edge over everyone. In a one-off game, our boys always have a good shot. But NZ are justifiably the #1 ranked team, one reason why beating them is such a big deal!

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  •  eddie-g
    eddie-g
    3:12 PM 06/10/2014

    Just wow. I cannot believe the to-and-fro about the final play of the game. Watching the video, there is no question Burger is making a nuisance of himself, and could have been pinged. But for heaven's sake, try put yourself in the ref's shoes. Burger doesn't crash into the ruck from the side, he joins so soon after the tackle is completed that Barnes could easily have reckoned he was part of the tackle and entitled to contest for the ball. Vermuelen, meanwhile, is executing a textbook steal. That's what Barnes is watching, and it is a fully justified call to penalise the ABs for holding on. We could argue all day if Barnes should have penalised SA first for Burger's actions - I would say, on balance, he should have - but ultimately this was a marginal call, and far from being a massive howler. And that was Barnes on Saturday, he got the big decisions spot on, just don't see the point of complaining about marginal calls which could have gone the other way.

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  •  whiteafrican
    whiteafrican
    1:45 PM 06/10/2014

    The pass from Cruden to Smith? It's not forward. Learn the rules. It's pretty much a carbon copy of this at 2:43 - 2:50 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=box08lq9ylg

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  •  whiteafrican
    whiteafrican
    1:36 PM 06/10/2014

    @ Vancouver_Cannucks - Wait a second, you're coming on here calling people names and alleging bad sportsmanship (note you ducked the point about Bismark - classy) and now you want to critcise others for their attitudes? As for being a "terrible loser", I said don't begrudge them the win and I said they were the better team. I'll ask you again: what more do you want?

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  •  whiteafrican
    whiteafrican
    1:22 PM 06/10/2014

    Having seen your comment above, I'll add a clarification. I think the Boks played really well and other than an early penalty miss, they looked pretty confident. I don't begrudge them the win. As Hansen said, they were the better team. Meyer at the end was hilarious. But that doesn't mean it wasn't disappointing to watch a great game, only to see it decided by literally the last refereeing decision only for that decision to be totally wrong.

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  •  whiteafrican
    whiteafrican
    1:12 PM 06/10/2014

    Woah, hang on a second. Nowhere did I say the ABs were robbed by the ref. There's a world of difference between saying the Boks didn't deserve it and saying the Ref got a major call wrong. For the avoidance of doubt: - The Boks played a great game, and I don't begrudge them the win. (In fact, it was worth it just for that clip of Meyer going berserk at the end). - Hansen himself said the Boks were probably the better team on the balance of play. I'd agree with that. - Barnes made a truly shocking decision at the end of the game. It's disappointing to see the best game of the year decided at the death by an incorrect refereeing decision.

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  •  whiteafrican
    whiteafrican
    1:07 PM 06/10/2014

    1. What do you mean "might"? It was 25 yards out, just to the right of centre and the ABs had the choice of two excellent kickers on the pitch. If the right call had been made, and you had to bet, where would you have put you your money? (Be honest). 2. I think you've lost perspective. Take the Bismarck decision. Had he stayed on the field, what would the chances of the Boks winning have been? Maybe 30%? (check the bookies' odds if you like). Now take the Burger decision - had the ref made the right call, what do you think the odds of the ABs scoring the final kick would have been? (see question 1 above). 3. I agree you can't equate them, so I didn't. What I said was, they all had massive impacts on the outcome of the game but it hugely depends when a call is made, and where it is made, as to what its impact on the game is. A red card in the first 5 mins is much harder to survive than a red card in the last 5 when you're leading by a wide margin. Context is everything. In the context of this game, the last penalty, in an easily kickable position, decided the outcome. 4. It's fine to say Barnes made other mistakes, but as I asked above, can you show me one that was as clear-cut and as significant as the Burger one? Go on, I'll wait. 5. Let's cut the BS. Just answer these two questions: (a) Do you agree that the correct decision was a penalty to Black? (b) If so, do you agree that it was a straightforward kick that you would expect any test-quality kicker to nail? Since you can't answer "no" to either of those with a straight face, save us both some time and admit that it was a big decision that changed the course of the game.

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  •  whiteafrican
    whiteafrican
    12:44 PM 06/10/2014

    Excellent choice of examples. Both the Bismarck/Carter decision and the Habana decision were wrong. As you rightly point out, both of those decisions completely changed the outcome. Likewise, so did the Burger decision - it was a clear penalty (something which I note you don't dispute) and it would have resulted in an easy kick at goal, 25 yards out, with no time left on the clock. Bottom line: All three decisions were wrong. All three changed the outcome of the game. When a wrong decision goes in favour of the ABs, you say it's wrong. But but when it goes against them, you say nobody should complain.

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  •  whiteafrican
    whiteafrican
    12:34 PM 06/10/2014

    @Computer says No - Of course it was decided by this. If he'd made the correct call, it would have a simple penalty 25 yards out, after the hooter, virtually guaranteeing an ABs win. Barnes made plenty of other errors in the game, but none that big and none that decisive. Your choice of the Walsh example isn't the best (obviously not defending Walsh - he had a shocker, and not his first either). But you want to see some really myopic reffing? Watch any of the Boks/ABs games in SA from before the introduction of neutral referees (circa '92). @Vancouver_Cannucks - I agreed with just one of NZ_Dan's comments, in response to a ridiculous comparison made by iluvyomumma. For the avoidance of doubt, I was not indicating that I agreed with everything NZ_Dan has ever said. I can't tell if you're being sarcastic in relation to the Bismarck decisions - did you not read my comment above in this very thread where I agreed that at the very least the first of those decisions were wrong. If by "you" you mean the plural, here are some examples of links from NZ papers at the time pointing out that it was wrong: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11125081 http://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503345&objectid=11125322 http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11126697 http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/sport/9174141/Rugby-rules-too-draconian What more do you want?

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  •  whiteafrican
    whiteafrican
    12:10 PM 06/10/2014

    @ Computer says No - What on earth do you need slow motion for in this case? I watched it on the TV in real time and immediately saw Burger was offside. It's not like it was momentary - he entered from the side in an offside position and then stood there to block the supporting player. He's still there when Barnes blows the whistle a good 3-4 seconds later. If it was a 50/50 or something that Refs frequently miss (e.g., hands in the ruck, line-out not straight, scrum feed or whatever) I could understand. But this wasn't even close to legit, was it? It's massively disappointing to see such a good game decided by such a bad call. We all know that the ref makes blunders both ways, but if you read the thread you'll see my comment was in response to a claim that McCaw does things like this "4 or 5 times a game". It's a tad harsh to say I'm being "anal about one call" by responding to someone else's comparison. Like I said above, Rugby is sorely lacking a "captain's challenge" where, the next time the ball goes dead, the captain can go to the ref and ask for a specific incident to be reviewed. Say you get 3 per game, or 2 per half, or whatever. If you're right, you keep your challenges, if you're wrong, you lose one. From my perspective, that helps the Ref because any time he gets any back-chat he can say to the captain either ask for a review or go away.

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  •  whiteafrican
    whiteafrican
    11:52 AM 06/10/2014

    @Vancouver_Cannucks - I don't think anyone is moaning (at least, I'm not and Toness88 doesn't appear to be...). But it's pretty disappointing to see the best game this year decided at the death by a refereeing decision that everyone seems to agree was wrong. My own view is that rugby needs a captain's challenge, similar to the way that tennis allows players a limited number of challenges per game, where you can point to a specific incident in the last play and ask the ref to review. If you're right, you keep your challenges, if you're wrong, you lose one. (Ironically, that's pretty much what happened with the Messam incident leading to the final successful penalty). At the moment, it's down to the Ref, and as we all seem to agree, the Refs are just too inconsistent.

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  •  whiteafrican
    whiteafrican
    11:26 AM 06/10/2014

    Totally agree on the Bizzy decisions, but I don't think anyone disputes those (at least the yellow on Carter). But totally disagree on the 50/50 calls point since: (i) where's the evidence (beyond anecdotes)? and (ii) NZ teams get harsh calls against them in big games just as often as anyone else (e.g., last year's EOYT where both Ireland and England got tries against the ABs that should have been disallowed; ridiculous reffing in the final 5 mins of Bledisloe 1 this year saw Australia's scrum get free kicks in their favour when they collapsed again and again; an NZ team robbed by the final penalty in this year's S15 final, which the ref later admitted he got wrong; etc. etc.). I'm not saying NZ teams get it worse than anyone else, but saying they "have been fortunate" is just silly. In any case, the problem with the Burger call is that it really wasn't 50/50 at all. It's not like he was subtle about it and it's not like Barnes shouldn't have spotted it.

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  •  whiteafrican
    whiteafrican
    10:57 AM 06/10/2014

    Gotta agree with NZ_Dan. All fetchers sail close to the wind, but IF McCaw does it, you can usually understand a ref missing it, since it's almost always subtle or a close call. Burger on the other hand was obviously offside and then joined the ruck from the side. It's harder to understand a ref failing to spot that.

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  •  whiteafrican
    whiteafrican
    10:54 AM 06/10/2014

    Youre right that every ref makes mistakes, but this was not a small one. It's not like Burger was subtle about it (he was well offside and entered the ruck from the side), and it's not like it was a minor issue since it would have given Barrett an easy kick to win the game.

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  •  whiteafrican
    whiteafrican
    10:46 AM 06/10/2014

    @Vladimir - Genuinely curious about your "nope". Can you offer an explanation of how Burger wasn't (a) offside and/or (b) guilty of side entry?

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  •  whiteafrican
    whiteafrican
    10:44 AM 06/10/2014

    Yeah, would love to see an explanation from Barnes of that last decision. Burger is clearly offside and comes in from the side to stop the supporting player getting to the ball... Starting around 54:10 in this vid: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x279k52_all-blacks-vs-springboks-2014-2_sport Can anyone offer an explanation of how that is a penalty to Green?

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  •  desertcolt07
    desertcolt07
    9:21 AM 06/10/2014

    i dont think they were better. it was a good contest and it really could have gone either way.

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  •  desertcolt07
    desertcolt07
    9:12 AM 06/10/2014

    there's no guarantee barrett(or slade) would have made the kick.

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  •  iluvyomumma
    iluvyomumma
    9:10 AM 06/10/2014

    I'd just like to point out to everyone that burger joining that ruck at the end is no different to McCaw doing the same thing 4 or 5 times a game. I'm being serious! The guy plays the game so far beyond the edge that it's nice to see others get away with it too

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  •  jimmy23
    jimmy23
    7:56 AM 06/10/2014

    The fact that not one single SA player got above a 7 just proves that's one of the most pointless lists ever made. Wayne Barnes actually had a decent game, you lost cause SA were better on the day, not because 'the ref did it'. I'm willing to bet you think Bismarck du Plessis's red card last year wasn't in-just cause the decision went your way.

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  •  jon
    jon
    5:46 AM 06/10/2014

    Where are the highlights?

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  •  desertcolt07
    desertcolt07
    1:20 AM 06/10/2014

    actually i just watched it a burger is way off side! 6:12 of the highlight video....f%$k you barns! lol

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  •  desertcolt07
    desertcolt07
    1:05 AM 06/10/2014

    i thought he did a good job and the final penalty was a good call. accidental head shots should get pinged. he misses a few bok shoulder charges though and apparently he missed Burger waaay offside at the end but i didnt see that one.

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  •  jimmy23
    jimmy23
    11:20 PM 05/10/2014

    aaaaand here's the sore loser

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  •  vladimir
    vladimir
    9:49 PM 05/10/2014

    Nope. But I am curious about Barrett's pass to Conrad Smith leading to the try.

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  •  skid986
    skid986
    5:34 PM 05/10/2014

    I have to say I'm a little (pleasantly) surprised this thread isn't already chock full of Kiwis claiming their only reason for losing was Barnes' refereeing.

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  •  jeri
    jeri
    10:38 AM 05/10/2014

    Good game Springboks. About time the All Blacks lose a game, and I'd much rather it be against South Africa than say England.

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  •  jimmy23
    jimmy23
    5:07 AM 05/10/2014

    What a match. I wondered if it would live up to last year's game, and it did 10 fold (despite NZ already winning the tournament). I know AB supporters are going to disagree with my next statement but it is refreshing to see someone else win a game for once, it was starting to get a bit dull. In a negative sense I don't see England beating either side, I'll be extremely surprised if they do in this year's november tours. Thanks for the ABs and Boks for putting on a good show for my Venezuelan friend who wanted to get introduced to rugby!

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  •  vladimir
    vladimir
    11:24 PM 04/10/2014

    100% agree.

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  •  eddie-g
    eddie-g
    11:09 PM 04/10/2014

    What. A. Game. Two years running, these teams just deliver the best. No question the Bokke were the better team in the first half, but NZ had the edge in the second. The Hougaard try might be the best international try this year, and Pat Lambie just ensured he will be the clutch kicker for SA through the World Cup. Quick mention too that Wayne Barnes had a fine game - he has his detractors, but I defy anyone to criticise him with how he handled especially the Messam tackle which led to the decisive penalty. With the crowd baying for blood, he calmly watched the footage, talked it through with the TMO and made the correct decision. In slomo, it looked a really bad tackle; at full speed, little doubt it was an accidental high shot, but it took a very clear-headed ref to make that call in that atmosphere. Anyway, great game played in a great spirit, and huge confidence boost for the Bokke a year ahead of the World Cup.

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  •  reality
    reality
    9:40 PM 04/10/2014

    If South Africa weas the home team, why is New Zealand the team on the left side of the scoreboard? Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought the standard for any sport was to have home team on the left and away team on the right.

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