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Elliot Daly suspended for 3 weeks after red card for dangerous challenge

Elliot Daly suspended for 3 weeks after red card for dangerous challenge
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England winger Elliot Daly appeared in front of an independant World Rugby Disciplinary Committee in London today after he was red carded for tackling an opponent in the air during England’s Autumn International against Argentina on Saturday.

Daly saw red as early as the fifth minute when he mistimed a high ball chase and took out Argentina number eight Leonardo Senatore, in clear contravention of law 10.4(i), which relates to ‘Tackling, tapping, pushing or pulling an Opponent jumping for the ball in a lineout or in open play’.

After consulting with his TMO and viewing extensive video replays, referee Pascal Gauzere had no option but to send Daly from the field, despite his obvious remorse.

In today’s disciplinary hearing, chaired by Kathrine Mackie (Scotland), Derek Bevan (Wales) and Hugo Southwell (Scotland), Daly accepted that he had committed an act of foul play and that it warranted a red card. 

Having viewed video footage of the incident, listened to evidence and representations from and on behalf of the player, and reviewed all of the other evidence, the Disciplinary Committee found that 24-year-old Daly had acted recklessly.

They ruled that the offence merited a mid-range entry point based on World Rugby’s scale of seriousness, which carries a six-week playing suspension.

However, they found that there were a number of mitigating factors – including his acknowledgement of wrongdoing, expression of remorse to the injured player and his good conduct at the hearing – so therefore they reduced the suspension by three weeks.
 
Daly is therefore banned from playing rugby for three weeks in to, up to and including Sunday 18 December 2016. He has a right to appeal, and was reminded of this during the hearing.  

Argentina’s Enrique Pieretto was also red carded in the match after he stamped on Joe Marler late in the game, but his disciplinary hearing will only take place on Wednesday of this week.

England went on to win 27-14. View highlights of England vs Argentina here

credit: tightfiverugbyunion

41 Comments

  •  jimmy23
    jimmy23
    1:09 PM 05/12/2016

    Well I SUPPOSE I'd be willing to make the journey down, I've only been coming to this site for about 10 years. But if it were to happen I think we'd obviously need to go watch a rugby game. It's a bit far for me to travel for just a piss up. Premiership Final? Baa Baas game?

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  •  rugbydump
    rugbydump
    10:35 AM 05/12/2016

    Edinburgh would be great but London might be more feasible. Maybe we can organise this sometime in the summer next year. Strict guestlist. Over 18 year old males only, no swedes.

    Reply
  •  drg
    drg
    10:38 AM 03/12/2016

    I think that's the exact reasoning.... It looks nasty, therefore doesn't do the game reputation any good (for some people)...

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  •  flacointheus
    flacointheus
    12:44 AM 03/12/2016

    Agree 100% with you London1

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  •  drg
    drg
    6:10 PM 02/12/2016

    Wasn't there a Parisse red card when he did jump for the ball but got a shirt tug, ended up colliding and I think he saw a red for it....

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  •  drg
    drg
    6:07 PM 02/12/2016

    I can remember the exact incident, the names however can somewhat allude me.... It's like that headbutt years and years ago... Was it Tom James? I can't remember but it's my go to on headbutts also!

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  •  drg
    drg
    6:05 PM 02/12/2016

    17.5 ACTUALLY! -_-

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  •  jonnyenglish
    jonnyenglish
    9:09 AM 02/12/2016

    Are you at least A Dan Carter?

    Reply
  •  jonnyenglish
    jonnyenglish
    9:07 AM 02/12/2016

    Good News! They did!

    Reply
  •  dancarter
    dancarter
    3:11 PM 01/12/2016

    I can be whatever you want me to be, Jimmy. Although I will still happily sign any New Zealand and Racing Metro shirts.

    Reply
  •  stroudos
    stroudos
    10:38 AM 01/12/2016

    Here's how I think it will go down: Me: I'm off to Edinburgh next weekend to have some beers with strangers I met on the internet. Mrs Stroudos: What? Don't be ridiculous. Anyway we're going to my parents', you know that, it's been in the diary for ages. Me: Oh yeah. But... but, these people are my friends!! Mrs Stroudos: What are you talking about? I've never even heard of Rugbydump. Show me! *Shows the at-least-daily slew of ill-informed commentary posted over the past several years* Mrs Stroudos: Ah! You sad wanker. For a while I thought you were having an affair with all that bloody tapping away on your phone and grinning! Actually, I might have preferred that.

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  •  stantheman
    stantheman
    3:21 PM 30/11/2016

    Agree on almost everything you said, but i dont quite share the thought that we should include european players, I think it is good to keep the ones that play together all year long even you have better single options (imhoff, etc). Rugby is a team sport and i think you will get better results if you build up a team, not if you put together star players. Discipline will come with time..It our greatest flaw right now

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  •  jimmy23
    jimmy23
    12:08 PM 30/11/2016

    To be honest DanCarter I'd be more disappointed if you weren't a monkey wearing a puffy winter jacket.

    Reply
  •  colombes
    colombes
    9:11 AM 30/11/2016

    Do you see Franck Mesnel? Well, you don't see me.

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  •  dancarter
    dancarter
    11:44 PM 29/11/2016

    To avoid any disappointment on the day, I want you all to know that I am not the Dan Carter.

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  •  im1
    im1
    4:55 PM 29/11/2016

    you should go more often then!

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  •  jimmy23
    jimmy23
    4:39 PM 29/11/2016

    You know I've been supporting Northampton for 6 years now, the only time I've seen them live is the 2013-14 Premiership Final.

    Reply
  •  im1
    im1
    4:29 PM 29/11/2016

    without trying to be too blase about it, how many times has someone actually be injured badly from being taken out in the air. One serious injury is too may, but we accept that at times props will get injured in the scrum or serious injury will get caused in rucks/mauls/tackle areas (although we quite rightly try to minimise it) But are we not focusing on being taking out in the air a bit too much? Its pretty dramatic seeing someone flipped in the air but but they are not getting driven into the ground.

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  •  jonnyenglish
    jonnyenglish
    3:26 PM 29/11/2016

    Bit of a trek for your home games Jimmy!

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  •  vladimir
    vladimir
    2:54 PM 29/11/2016

    This one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGrvQ1c5khU

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  •  im1
    im1
    1:57 PM 29/11/2016

    I also think the chasing player has to be the one to be more responsible. When a team puts a high ball up it is a challenge to see if the defender can gather it cleanly under pressure that they may get smashed as soon as they hit the ground. What about this situation. A high ball goes up. The defender gets in position and stays on the ground to catch it. The chaser comes in at full pace, jumps and cleanly takes the ball, but is flipped over and lands on his head by the defender who was standing there. Should the defender be sent off? I think not, but they have challenged for the ball and caused an opposition player to land on their head.

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  •  fitz
    fitz
    1:56 PM 29/11/2016

    I refer you to Jason Woodward being yellow carded on Friday for Bristol. Take a look if you can. 50 mins in and he is carded because he 'didn't have a realistic chance of catching the ball'. Given he went with two hands in the air and actually made contact with the ball, I would argue with the ref's and TMO's interpretation in this case. Another instance of outcome determining sanction perhaps. Either way, a chaser jumping for the ball is still quite risky even if you have a moderate chance of catching the ball.

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  •  jimmy23
    jimmy23
    1:51 PM 29/11/2016

    I've actually thought for a while now how a RD pub meet and greet would go down. If it goes anything like some of the discussions here, it would be akin to a Monty Python sketch. If anyone's interested, I'm in Edinburgh.

    Reply
  •  incinerate
    incinerate
    1:44 PM 29/11/2016

    This guy Pieretto made 2 really freaking silly penalties the moment he was subbed in against Wales and now he does this. Dude should be sent to the gulag until SR begins.

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  •  im1
    im1
    1:29 PM 29/11/2016

    why don't we just copy whatever they do in aussie rules football? I don't know what the rules are, but surely they have far more aerial contests on which to have worked out rules that work the best

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  •  danknapp
    danknapp
    1:18 PM 29/11/2016

    Yet if you do it well, as the Irish do, it's a great attacking weapon.

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  •  stroudos
    stroudos
    1:07 PM 29/11/2016

    Agree Jimmy. Must say my own preference is to stop chasing a few steps before reaching the catcher, patiently wait for him to land and then accelerate those last few steps and smash the hapless prick around his exposed midriff. Worse-case scenario is he offloads very quickly and you get done for a late tackle, (usually not, on grounds of "already committed"), but that's got to be a better option than risking a yellow or red card for taking the man in the air.

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  •  joeybinbags
    joeybinbags
    12:31 PM 29/11/2016

    There was definitely a lack of consistency there. Yellow at very least (taking May's cat-like landing into account).

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  •  stroudos
    stroudos
    12:30 PM 29/11/2016

    "I think it was Jared Payne vs Good maybe?" he says. Maybe?? This has been your go-to case study in arse-to-face combat ever since. I'm not sure a "taking the man out in the air" incident has made it through a Rugbydump post without you drawing some parallel with Goode's use of his arse as a lethal weapon. :) In fairness, it does illustrate your point well.

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  •  jimmy23
    jimmy23
    11:43 AM 29/11/2016

    I recognise this is very easy for me to say behind the comfort of my computer. But a part of me can't help but think that if a kick chaser can see that they are in a position to potentially compete for a high ball, why don't they just jump for it every time? That way even if they don't win, they can avoid the risk of being penalised if you make contact with the opponent because they're also in the air. If they can see that they are not in a position to realistically compete, then keep an eye on what the opponent is doing because chances are, they will be in the air.

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  •  danknapp
    danknapp
    11:22 AM 29/11/2016

    I'd be interested to put some faces to names. Bet we find out that DrG has been catfishing us, and he's actually a 17 year old schoolgirl from Sweden.

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  •  moo
    moo
    9:54 AM 29/11/2016

    You've hit the nail on the head there 45678! I reckon most of us on here would get along down the pub watching a game though. Now there's a thought...

    Reply
  •  drg
    drg
    9:02 AM 29/11/2016

    I know a little while back (early this year maybe?) They trialled some new law variations at college level where by they had a free catch law... Looked shit imo.... But as you say it's a tricky situation. I think it was Jared Payne vs Goode maybe? Where Payne clearly had eyes on ball as he was running and Goode jumped to catch it... And all Payne did was run face first into Goode's arse, but he get a red card for it....

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  •  heavyhooker
    heavyhooker
    1:57 AM 29/11/2016

    I am not really sure what to make of all this high jumping and how to tailor the laws. Is it the first to jump wins the "penalty for" card in a collision? Should the law be that as soon as a team kicks it is conceding the ball in which case the receiving team has no need to jump to contest? Maybe the law is that as soon as you leave your feet, outside of a line out, you are realizing you are putting yourself into a dangerous position for tackles. How is what Senatore did any different from jumping to a tackle with the ball? In this case as Jimmy23 stated, Daly had virtually no time to react to Senatore's jump, so how do you stop this sort of thing?

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  •  jimmy23
    jimmy23
    11:54 PM 28/11/2016

    Can't argue with the red card there, knew it was going to happen the second I saw it. Nothing malicious but clumsy. Having said that, I will defend Daly here slightly. By the time Senatore jumped for the ball, Daly was about two steps away from him and had a few milliseconds to react. It would take someone with some pretty quick reflexes to get out of that. BUT, I think every kick chaser these should have it in their mind that someone will probably be jumping for the ball on an up and under.

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  •  jonnyenglish
    jonnyenglish
    9:45 PM 28/11/2016

    Completely agree with the ban, seems fair to me. However, how the "tackle" on May isn't even a yellow I do not know. Yet again it seems like the consequences of breaking the laws seem to determine on the outcome of the incident, that cannot be a good way forward, it just encourages people jumping for high balls to play it up a bit to get the yellow/red awarded.

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  •  45678
    45678
    8:03 PM 28/11/2016

    The interesting decision wasn't so much daly, which was a red card for even the most one eyed England supporter, but the argentine winger who tipped up may. All that was different to the daly red card was the way he landed. There was no more care taken by the tackler, so is it just about the end result and how injured someone gets? We're getting towards football territory in that case and simulated injury will become more common place

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  •  45678
    45678
    7:58 PM 28/11/2016

    Be careful what you wish for! I actually think because the videos aren't instantaneous it gives time for a bit of objectivity rather than emotion

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  •  danknapp
    danknapp
    6:11 PM 28/11/2016

    Reading the comments on the Facebook page, full of loud-mouthed idiots with keyboard warrior complexes makes me very glad of the RD community. At least here we have a better class of loud-mouthed idiots with keyboard warrior complexes.

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  •  danknapp
    danknapp
    6:04 PM 28/11/2016

    He totally deserved the red. It showed that he wasn't used to being on the wing and he got his timing on that chase all wrong.

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  •  cluainoir
    cluainoir
    5:19 PM 28/11/2016

    2 red cards, one was clumsy and accidental, the other, brutal and cowardly. Hope the suspensions reflect that.

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